hi this is Charles Hoskinson broadcasting live from warm sunny Colorado see if we can adjust the camera a little bit there we go I it's been a little while since I've had a chance to talk with you guys but it is really good to be back I really do enjoy one more time there we go I really do enjoy talking to the community and I sorry I had to go for a little bit but I took a week off for health reasons I went to Connecticut and actually had a super physical done so the Princeton legitimate II Center and they give you a nice 300 page printout all kinds of things about you so the longer the short is after a full-body CT scan more blood than I thought I had hands in places they shouldn't be I am very healthy calcium store a score of zero the labs are all normal liver is looking good kidneys are looking good no tumors anywhere nothing significant so it looks like you're all gonna have to deal with me for a long time or at least until the next physical so very glad that got that done I still need to lose some weight I went down from 235 pounds to about 205 pounds which is pretty good for a year and a lot more to go still have too much visceral fat and still have too much body fat content need add about 10 to 15 pounds of lean mass so so I really really just wanted to say I'm healthy moving in the right direction got a nutrition it's got a personal trainer I and a good health team working with me so so that's the story there a lot of other little things have come up here and there and I have some austerity stories to share but I'll save those for later AMAs now just a brief update on Cardinal this month we are gonna be launching the most significant update to Daedalus that we've done since the launch of Daedalus and in a lot of it in the back end in preparation for Shelley but then a lot of usability feature improvements some bug fixes actually a lot of them I think there's over a hundred issues related to Daedalus and the Daedalus team is super proud of what they're about to push out they've been working on it for over two and a half months and really it's a lot of great engineering we're also going to be some point this month or early next month turning on the or bores BFT upgrade to the network and at that point we'll be ft will be running instead of the old or Boris classic that a Sarah Kyle implemented so that's the major August update we're still pushing out usually weekly updates to the self noticed net in the network stack coming along really well on that so hopefully sometime this month we'll be able to make an announcement on that side and the Haskell team just gave me a very significant demo last week Friday I was out of the office so I had to watch the video of the demo but things are definitely moving along quite well for them the Haskell wallet back-end is also looking pretty good on the on the Cardno side lots of things to do there but we're basically moving in the right direction so very happy very proud of how quickly the team is moving what's really exciting is that we now actually have all these different software teams five to seven people usually and they're cutting releases all the time and I've never really seen software philosophy software development velocity like this and so it's really cool to see things moving of course a very impatient man sometimes and I'd like Shelley to be out today instead of however long it will take but at least I have confidence that we'll get there and we'll get there when in a reasonable timeframe not not ten years but certainly significantly shorter than that so quite quite quite the good work okay so that's the story about car dotto nothing significant David SR and others will begin making updates at their due time a lot of people are flying out here Colorado to come to the I which Kay office discuss what's coming after Shelley we've also had a lot of Gogan related conversations we're doing a very big hackathon up in Wyoming in September with the University of Wyoming we'll be meeting with the governor or a lot of state officials it's going to be quite a lot of fun and probably a few hundred developers will be there as a great opportunity to show off a lot of major enhancements we've made Plutus we've recently released the new Plutus book if you go to Amazon and type in Plutus you can see the book the courses have gotten quite a bit of quite a bit of consumption I think we're up to five or ten thousand students at this point and we've gotten a lot of great feedback so Plutus is definitely turning into a matter product and it's gonna take a little bit more time for it to get where it needs to go but the team is highly motivated and things are moving in the right direction we're also making great progress with GHC Jas we're making great progress as well with our work in collaboration was tweaked on Haskell to webassembly so this will allow people to start taking some of the code we're writing and have it run in the web browser and some of the code were writing and have it run on a web of employment so we believe this is very important for long-term interoperability the other good news is the way that we've constructed flutists the off chain code will eventually be a user choice so you should be able to interact with polluters code using JavaScript or Java or other languages so as you're writing your smart contracts which will inevitably be embedded in a larger application usually involving a server you should be able to do that using the language of your choice so we'll leave that to Manuel Chuck of Rd and his team to plan the details there and how these things are going to work we've also begun a project to start examining the interoperability between aetherium style accounts and extended UT Excel and the hope there is that we can come up with a clever way that we can use yella with Plutus so Plutus can call a yellow contract yellow can call a flutist contract so we'll make a statement later on about that but we think that could be a very quick beautiful way of getting a theory immune or operability with Cardinal in sometime during the Govan era in terms of the science side of things science is looking pretty good or Moore's caseros and or Bohr's Hydra are both pretty pretty far along and our hope is to do a year equip submission which would be in a month of September should that be possible then we should also be able to do a public release of those two papers caseros and Hydra are the last two papers significant papers in the or Bors family meaning that we would consider that research line complete there may be some additional optimizations or other things we do or we may rewrite the papers as we did the Ouroboros class paper to reflect a larger corpus of knowledge around the problem but basically we had solved all the issues dealing with spikes of dishonest majority efficient random number generation being able to run in a BFT mode or boorish both privacy that's the crips eNOS line being able to bootstrap without a checkpoint being able to operate in a semi synchronous model and then finally sharding this was an enormous body of work it started in 2015 we've written almost a dozen papers we've collaborated with probably two dozen different scientists it's gone in peer review of pretty much every major conference you can imagine that matters in the cryptographic world and it's really satisfying to see that research life starting to come to a close and for us to be able to then move on to even more interesting things especially layer to stuff and zero knowledge of stuff so we're definitely doing some cool interesting things for that yeah and I'm aware the shirt is too big I actually have new shirts and this is one of my old shirts I'm floating around the ranch today so I figure out where a shirt that didn't matter but yeah this is my for a fat guy I'm not as fat as I used to be just a good thing right means I've got to live longer so so yeah yeah life is good you know it's just really satisfying as hell to see software being written at such a great velocity to see science being done properly to see formal methods being done properly and to see somebody really brilliant people starting to work together and flow it takes a long time for these things to happen and it takes a lot of effort for these things to happen and it never happens quite the way you anticipated or as smoothly as you'd like regardless of how smart your people are how talented they are because it's just human dynamics and to see that it's all now starting to converge and we actually now have a beautiful vision for a great product we know how to kind of capstone everything and the researchers are in sync with the formal methods people in sync with the developers that's pretty magical and to see every month we're starting to get more and more releases and you know people are are really taking things seriously and the community's wrapping around and giving us issues and talking about things it's very satisfying as well you know it it always takes longer than you think it would take and always harder than you think it would be but I will remind everybody we kind of just rewrote it everything from scratch twice and we studied the hardest problems in this entire space and we did it with Ritter you know we hired great expanses we hired great engineers and we assumed to nothing and we worked really hard with these great scientists and these great engineers for a long period of time four years is a huge chunk of my life and the fact that we're now here where there's certainty behind the vision the product the direction and the code is coming out at a rapid pace that's not going to slow down and we're really happy about that so it's a great victory as an engineering company and it's an even greater victory I think for the space as a whole because it leaves a blueprint for how projects should pursue these types of endeavors and it also leaves a lot of papers for people to reference and understand the nature of certain problems like proof of stake and things like sidechains and also the Piell work that we've done so there's a lot more to do there's Oracle's that we got to figure out and there's lots of options there you know we have a guy we're good on lightning and we'll think about whether we want to do that or not we have boatload of work we got to do with the Treasury we know what to do at least just we have to start doing it once we have this stuff set up and obviously we got to ship a lot of software to you guys now because we're get to that point where these things are where they need to be and of course lots of gaps need to be deployed on the system so that's going to be the great end of 2019 2020 challenge is bridging that gap gap but we think we have a great philosophy for how to do that and the hackathons have been overwhelmingly successful whether we do them in Ethiopia Mongolia Israel or now and Wyoming we just meet a lot of incredibly interesting people and very passionate people and it's not very hard to get 10,000 apps or a hundred thousand apps to put on a platform if the platform is worth it and given that we probably will beat everybody to scaling because our solution is on paper gonna probably about September and it's not going to be that hard to implement and we have the theory down I feel very good about our 2020 prospects so that's my update now we get to have a wonderful conversation with you guys so let's go ahead let's go ahead and see these things and I'm not going to eat my shoe no matter what we're gonna find a way to get Shelly where it needs to be hello from Spain hola como esta do a reverse AMA and ask us questions yeah actually I think I will ask you guys some questions and I would love a Barca the club to come to Nepal that would be a heck of a lot of fun I unfortunately my travel schedule is pretty tight I'm gonna be staying in Colorado for a probably next few months with the notable exception of a few times where I fly out for specific things but I know more gallivanting around the world going to 11 countries in seven weeks or something like that I've done that too much and it's had a very bad impact on me got fat and I have two paintings once a water house painting and the other one is a good stuff climp painting I really love them and they mean very different things and they're deeply personal to me so I put them in my office because I spend the most time here and every morning I look at them and actually my other painting is from a John Lyon Jarama and that's bleach over school and so that painting is is basically of a gladiator and he's looking towards the audience trying to decide whether they kill the person or allow him to live that's not an anonymous mask actually if you look up I have a mask collection and I collect many many of them come on you there we go so hello from France Wow I would like to hear your opinion and comments about merging crypto projects recently Vitalik suggested some sort of partnership between aetherium and bitcoin trash tell me how you really feel Rogers work in order to improve scalability issue this is the whole thing of my home is not complete and I need some place to put all my stuff and my next-door neighbors got a spare garage and so I'm gonna go put my stuff in his garage until we can figure it out type of deals and that's basically what vitalik is proposing he has some concepts of basically how he's going to scale aetherium and the remember there's not just scalability in terms of processing power so that's how many smart contracts you can process but also data scalability you actually store all that information somewhere and then network you need to be able to move all that information somewhere so he has no ideas about how he's going to handle all of that they haven't implemented them and it's gonna take quite a bit of time for them to get there because this is really hard stuff and you go from a replicated to a distributed system so much more can go wrong so in the interim I guess he's just basically trying to store his junk in someone else's garage and no one's really doing much with Bitcoin cash you know no so he's there just so they're just doing that and I guess it's good for them it gets them a little adoption but at the end of the day you know that's that's their business we we do things a little differently here favorite Floyd Trek well favorite album from Pink Floyd is wish you were here wonderful horse it Barrett sad he got schizophrenia Michael I still have your letter it's it's hanging in my living room I really appreciate the letter thank you very much it was a great gift just Michael you have to contact me there you can't do it over Twitter in public with a hundred and eleven thousand people please use some professionalism that and I am very busy these days and so sometimes it takes me a little while to get back I'd never trash a letter from Einstein it's a very good question from crypto kool-aid please explain how Cardno can be upgraded once it's launched as it seems to be a theorems underlying issue it's not just a theory underlying issue there's a very significant issue with all cryptocurrencies about what do you do once the train has left the station so every now and then you need to do things differently you need to pivot so the tracks have to go in a different direction you need to replace wheels you need to replace cabooses there's all kinds of things that happen either because of security flaws or because of emergent technology or perhaps you just have philosophical differences you say you know we thought a but now B and this is quite easy to do when you're a centralized company or at least easier to do when you're a centralized company because basically somebody just has the balls to say this is what I'm going to do we're gonna change directions like for example Sasha adela with Microsoft so when he entered in Balmer's rein was open sources cancer her Nadella says open sources is our strategy we're an open source net we're gonna release office products on ios and android before we do Windows we're gonna start sharing information within the company we're gonna move to get you know very very different philosophy and he wrote a great book I think it was called hit refresh or something like that explaining how we did it at such a huge organization a 500 billion dollar company half million people that's up they cruise to change so the problem is even when your god so CEO and you have total power and the consent of the board to go do something takes years to be able to move something like that now imagine a global scale protocol where there is no one who's got it's just committees there's groups of people it's global governance at that point so basically you do it the same way you do anything where you have disparate people you have to a collective action problem you have one side which is the polling consent side and then one side which is the incentives really think about problems that impact the system so these are actually are different problems and you can solve one without solving the other and but you have to solve both for the system to work very well so the polling people and getting consent the difficulty of that problem is stems from who do you talk to do you talk to the people who hold the cryptocurrency do you talk to the people who provide hash power do you are going to be providing infrastructure the developers and not everybody's created equally there you know everybody it has kind of a different level of participation a different level of care or different utility in the system so it's a very complicated democratic problem and this is a larger political science problem of how governments decide so you know we'd like to be a gala terian and say everybody's equal and every vote counts equally but that's how you end up getting Trump's and these types of things or Clinton's you know if depending upon your political persuasion so we've written papers on liquid democracy and we have a pretty good concept of a 1.0 system and basically the process of upgrading there is the improvement proposal process so we would write them other people would write them and then basically there would be a democratic process to go through to ratify whether those improvement proposals are legitimate or not now there are cryptocurrencies like Dash and mineiro and Tasos that are very levels of sophistication where you can vote on things or at least kind of give some Democratic consent to a particular idea of a direction to go in and it's either protocol level enforced or implicitly enforced through the democratic consent the other side of the problem is the incentive side so even if you have a perfect system for perfect representation what if only 10% of the systems show up that was the situation with the dow hack so with the dow hack they took a vote and the vote was let's go ahead and fork and they said okay grey and we looked at the participation it was like 8% or 9% I can't remember the exact amount I said well is this a representative sample of the entire community maybe if you look at a polling theory if you look at how people do polls you can actually sample if you construct the sample correctly a subset of the people and within a margin of error have a representative sample of the entire population we do this for experiments all the time we do this for many aspects of science so it's not entirely unreasonable to say that a low participation with a margin of error would be sufficient to give you a sense that your system is right but you'd like high participation you like 50% 60% 70% so then the question is what do you do some system say it's your civic duty some systems say you go to jail if you don't vote I believe Australia does that they actually have compulsory voting other systems they pay you to vote or they restrict privileges like so you can't use the system if you don't vote so that is a very hard problem there's a lot of political theory there and the best idea is to start slow so you open up the tools you flow them out and you basically you basically see where they go and if they work and I have high participation doing things if they don't work then you conduct experiments and you try with different cohorts to incentivize them correctly so this is going to be the great challenge of 2020 as you as we kind of move our way through the Democratic side you know or that it's 2019 challenge is getting the rewrite done shellie out go canal smart contracts running these are solves problems and they're just engineering problems right now and it's frustrating and it's slow and meticulous but it's not like we're going to wake up and suddenly win a Turing award because we've done something magical with the engineering it's just good code the the 2020 challenge one group works on sharding and that's just getting hydrate applied and layer two solutions deployed if we choose to deploy them and then the other group is working exclusively on the treasury side of things and the voting side of things and that's a much more difficult problem because it's interdisciplinary its economic its political theory a it's yes it's great to take us around because we can kind of learn from some of the things that they're doing but they're not the only game in town there's dozens of people exploring these things so you know we've already begun literature review we've already begun watching things and we've already written several papers and you know we could certainly roll out a fairly simplistic solution or we could go for something very elegant grant but you know that's a 2020 question and it's something we'll tackle after Shelley and Gogan good question though and by the way it's not bad to pay people to vote [Music] how much Cheryl's he once said whoever says IOT AI on blockchain is fooling you can you elaborate why if you look at i/o t but generally speaking you say okay I have lots of very weak sensors and they're all over the damn place for example I recently had a very advanced security system installed in my home and it has all these little sensors glass break sensors window sensors door sensors and they all kind of dial home to a device and that that device is collecting data all the time I have motion sensors the motion sensors basically controller the cameras come on or not so within my own a little home in my ranch there's hundreds of little sensors taking thousands and thousands and thousands of readings very often now scale that out to 5,000 homes 10,000 homes a hundred thousand homes you're literally getting terabytes or even petabytes of data from these systems and so you say okay well terabytes to petabytes of data and what are we going to do we're going to take all this stuff and put it on a blockchain does that make any sense to you say okay so we're forever going to store that my window hasn't been opened today and the 24 readings that it's taken every hour we're gonna forever store those timestamps and those logs no it just makes no sense so you say oh okay well what we'll do is take a compressed representation of the logs okay less something but that's a little different right so the raw IOT data is living off chain the audit log is living on chain so now you're saying the blockchain is a component of an IOT system not the IOT system that's the first point the second point is AI for AI to be useful you need enormous sets of information so I I doesn't seem to be super compatible with a blockchain environment because you're talking about compressed representations fidelity logs audit logs hashes timestamps these types of things living on blockchain so you're saying I want to have petabytes of information because in my AI is better I can more with big data but the only thing the blockchain is giving me is the ability to verify the data is correct so again it's part of a solution but it's not the solution so when I hear people say I OTA here's a token I it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me that said if it's part of a broader IOT solution where you're saying we're gonna create an incentive layer and an audit layer for the sensors and pay people to add sensors and have a sense they're almost like a mining component combine that with the trusted hardware so you can attest the data that's coming from the sensor that that could work that could be interesting and I'd love to invest some time effort money into a prototype to see if we build something and there's classes of protocols like avalanche which may work very well in those particular scenarios where you don't necessarily care about absolute fidelity of the ledger where you're saying I don't really care if it was eighty nine point two degrees or eighty nine point three degrees I just want to kind of an aggregate you would generally speaking use these types of things so anyway I I'm very pessimistic a pessimistic pant is pessimistic about IOT of launching for the moment just at least the way I've read about some of these projects yes Duncan is a real wizard colleagues with a background and metrics you downplay the rise of crypto stating fiat currencies the only way global economic disparity can be managed what's your take on a global currency well when they get it right the best we can hope for is losing a few percentage points of our wealth every year when my grandfather bought his first home it was five thousand dollars now you can't buy a home for five thousand dollars unless it's Detroit and there is 50% unemployment and like bombs going off every day so you know inflation is a very pernicious thing it does not affect me I'm wealthy so I have many great advisers and great people who work with me and those people basically give me good tools to ensure that I never get poorer every year I make money every year and I can spend that money on things like mini goats and geese and horses I don't know get barbecue from time to time but when you're poor you spend all your money every month and usually spend more than you make and you go into greater greater wealth greater greater debt and your wages tend not to go up on par with inflation or at least the real inflation rate not the the rate that they quote because inflation is a little bit more complicated than just a number and so as a consequence the way the Fiat system is constructed is it actually over time destroys the middle class and creates a larger larger gap between the wealthy and the poor and we've seen this happen many many times and that's when the economy is being well-managed meaning that they're following a decent monetary policy which is keeping interest rates at a reasonable level and inflation relatively constrained when they screw it up that it screwed up big go big or go home Venezuela and Zimbabwe are two great examples of that and it destroys entire economies so I think the solution to the monetary policy problem is competition this is what Hayek believed and this whole concept of private money's the problem with private money's is you're always at the mercy of the issuer and so that's why they never really took off or never really got super successful because by the time they actually started getting some momentum the issuer would take advantage of the power that they had and then they would just simply screw everything up they'd get very corrupt but if you have a cryptocurrency you have no issuer and you have very predictable transparent rules so you get the advantage of a public utility but then you get the advantage of private competition with the public utilities and then we can move to money of a portfolio so my personal belief is our children and as we get older what our wealth is going to look like is a portfolio so you will not store your money in your bank account as you do today you'll since Ted have a pie chart and it's gonna have slices in each and every one of them will be in different types of assets real estate labor units airline miles fiat currencies crypto currencies gold silver stocks bonds maybe people are going to securitize the local Safeway or you know the local subway or something it'll be just thousands of assets there'll be very diversified portfolio probably you'll manage it with the help of an AI that's just as good as a CFA and you know they don't give you whatever your portfolio goals happen to be high returns high risk low returns low risk inflation hedging whatever that might be and we have very good market making and payment systems which are all programmable and what will occur is when you go to Starbucks or you go to McDonald's or you go wherever you want to go you pay the every tip of the money they want you pay an instrument you want so you go to Starbucks you paint gold and then they get dollars you're gonna McDonald's you pay Microsoft stock and they get gyros that's the reality we're moving towards now for some reason economists can't understand this and it just blows their mind and they say oh wow no that can't exist we need sovereign currency so why it's the point of a sovereign currency if I can use Microsoft stock and have that somehow hedge with the portfolio as a means of exchange in the end of account and I can store value this way why the hell do I need the US dollar it does nothing for me you know I have a portfolio and that's much much better than a dollar because no matter how bad somebody screws up in the government I'm gonna be in charge and be able to use best practices to you know I can't get myself some safety and stability so I think the world is moving that way and the only reason we haven't even gotten there is because of regulations and those regulations will come to an end alright see here implement ubi on card ah ah well you know I think cryptocurrencies will probably be the first instrument that allows you to do ubi and we'll see what we do what's this about Chico crypto you guys still talking about that guy is he still on I don't have any issue is Chico crypto he's just a shock jock guys they do it all the time all right let's see here you know I love how people worry about the amount of units of a disease how did you choose 45 billion ADA in existence how did Satoshi choose 21 million Bitcoin why not 22 I had 23 would your opinion of Bitcoin be substantially different if there was twenty one point five million Bitcoin that will be in max circulation as opposed to twenty one should be so different if the block reward started at fifty two Bitcoin instead of fifty and then half would your perception be so different think about it you know it's just numbers they don't matter you know I travel to Japan and I have yen and it's about 100 yen to a dollar give or take I travel to Korea I have one it's about a thousand won to the dollar does this somehow change your perception of Sony and your Samsung if you're looking at Sony goods priced in yen and Samsung Goods priced and want a lot of people are millionaires in Korea it doesn't really mean that much because of the denomination unit so they're just numbers what matters is once the numbers have been set what is the supply and demand how many people are consuming why are they consuming how much supply is available on market what's the liquidity woods to turn around what it's what's the trading going on these are the things that matter you know these are the things that people have to think and those are the factors that will ultimately determine whether the cryptocurrency survives or doesn't survive there's cryptocurrencies of low supply that are doing quite well scrapiron sees I have low supply they have no penetration or prominence once with high supply number-three XRP doing just fine so it depends all about trading supply and demand and these factors and so you have to look at how factors that create natural demand and the ones that have those are the communities that are behind that are the ones that survive long term in my experience yeah right here can you get into one of those hearings in school of politicians about crypto you know I saw some great hearings recently about libera and those were certainly fun to watch and it was certainly fun to see the politicians basically like try to not admit but at the same time admit that they want a monopoly with the dollar and that it's useful geopolitically to have the dollar you know there's like oh we can't take monetary stability you know I can't mess with the dollar and then they think why not what it will put you what you guys worry about what's going on and then we go over to nothing nothing we're just saying that you should mess with the dollar but why don't you want us to and that some of you had the guts to say the dollar needs to be the global standard you know whenever you give people power you have to ask yourself is it power of merit yeah or is it power of necessity and if it's power of necessity almost always it will become corrupt abused and hurt society at some point it doesn't matter if you're the world reserve currency or uber it doesn't matter if you're a huge marketplace like eBay or the local gas station that happens to be the only gas station for 60 miles and so they can charge 50 cents more per gallon there's all kinds of people that abuse positions of authority and power and the only way you can overcome these evil little sinks that hurt society is competition you have to have other standards emerge and those other standards will allow you to overcome the ossified past and that's exactly what we're doing with cryptocurrencies we're creating competing standards to not only the dollar but the euro of the yuan and the world order on how finance works and what this will do is it will dramatically innovate everything it'll make wire transfers faster make compliance more automated it will improve overall transactions it will create standards for metadata embedding and attribution and other such things it'll create a whole new programming languages dozens have already been created but more on the way and that innovation will work its way into the legacy financial world if it wants to survive if it's only argument for survival is the government will come and protect us I will remind them that that never worked for any industry that was outpaced by innovation look at the phone companies look at the horse and buggy manufacturer look at basically anyone the the coal industry government come and save us they can do it in the short term they can't do it in the long term because people don't like getting screwed and while corporations and vested interests have a lot of influence over government the end of the day when people know they're getting screwed on mass and the millions or billions those people will change their governments if their governments are not responsive long term every government is aware of this and they understand they have a certain degree of flexibility for corruption and if they go beyond that flexibility the entire order collapses down there's no greater chance try noble if you look at that incident the Soviet Union had a way of doing things and then this global event happens which kind of busted the lid on the entire Soviet system and they couldn't just sweep it under the rug they needed almost a million people to participate in the cleanup and every single person in Europe cared very deeply about that and it put enormous financial pressure and social pressure an enormous organizational pressure on the entire Soviet system where everybody kind of knew they were lying that people knew they were lying but there was just no way to hide it anymore you know and they've just lost that that core credibility and then it kind of set the stage for this idea that maybe they're not so invincible and we can change the system so things happen and 2008 was the death knell of the entire world financial system everybody took a step back they took a deep breath and they said we need to change things and people started doing that macro micro prudential policy started becoming big deals at every central bank stability became a big deal stress tests became a big deal reed timothy geithner his book on it in fact that's the title of the book stress test and there's just hundreds of efforts that went underway people start a question the BIS people started questioning the IMF you meanwhile crypto currencies came out and people started making their own monies and these monies didn't get instantly banned or removed these monies started getting a foothold and worth not just thousands but billions and then hundreds of billions of dollars and they will continue to grow as a consequence so I'm very optimistic that things will change and we'll get to a better place just takes time Charles do you think proof a stick can prove to be a censorship resistant as Bitcoin I believe more so Bitcoin always federates to a small group of people currencies tend to get better distributed over time so the Gini coefficient will always improve with proof of state currencies because people cash out people sell there's velocity behind money whereas mining is a business that tends to economy of scale so you're really it's just like aircraft manufacturers you're really not going to a lot more than a few main ones greetings from Sicily llamo Cecilia it's a beautiful place Palermo is kind of a dump but Marsala is just an incredible city marketing marketing marketing after Shelly the masses are dumb quality will rise but we need the dumb people to drive the price up a bit we don't need to drive the price up a bit guys if it's real the price goes up if it's not real the price won't go up you know what the hell was marketed with Bitcoin smart email me making a logo think about it guys if this is real deal if this is the real technology the people will come as field of dreams yes of course good marketing will come of course will broadcast the USPS of course will write a beautiful white paper and will go and work with people on messaging and Hamor community management but either it works or a dozen it either it's a great product or it's not and either it solves real problems or it doesn't and if it solves problems people will use the system there's a demand and a need for these things and the price reflects that and if your holy goal in life is for the price of cryptocurrency to go up you're in the wrong business guys you're gonna you've already lost the wave is gone you know when I came in at Bitcoin at $1 that that was one to be in that's why you get things like this if you're in now and you're hoping Lambos from this environment it's too big too many people know about maybe you get a 5x maybe you get a 10x if you're lucky if you're lucky and that's a small scale but we're no longer in the era of a thousand X or 2,000 X 3 now we're in the era build things and over time those things can be worth trillions of dollars but it only comes because it's useful there is merit and it's actually displacing or improving things for the lives of billions of people that's the business I'm in it's why I devote so much time there is nothing satisfying in life for me about making large sums of money I mean what am I going to do with it well more could I buy or could I go the only reason I'm still here the only reason we still work is because this work changes people's lives it's meaningful it's hard it takes time it takes effort but it's not about making you rich and if you think that's what it's about go to tron go to somewhere else where somebody will tell you sweet lies about how they're gonna make everybody rich and you'll lose everything more often than not because that's what always happens when people promise you fast returns you lose it unless you get really lucky and guess what you didn't win you took it out of some other person's pocket and you you cashed out first and if you can live with yourself under those circumstances then you pka you're a horrible human being I don't want to know you if you'd like to change the world then stay in this movement let's change it together any desire to talk to Richard Hart I think he's talked about us once or twice I don't think he said kind things but you know if he invites me out to come on a show almost met Bill Gates I knew Paul Allen but Paul recently died and that was sad I did me woz it's always easy to meet woz in the space okay let's see here do you see a dag possibility for upgrading replacing the blockchain so the reason why you want to use a dag is that you have people making history okay so you have all these people submitting pending transactions and they're flowing in they're flowing into your memory pool you know we actually did Symphony blockchains these his big glowing thing the men pool and somewhere along the way somebody says ah I'm gonna make a block so they grab that big extend actions they stuff it into a block because much in there as they can and then they attach it to the blockchain okay so what if you have a system where you don't pick your leaders ahead of time there's a merit-based systems like mining is a good example of that so you have this mempool that everybody has a different view of the metal pool it's kind of like an elephant where you can only see so much of it so if somebody grabs the ass and somebody's grabbing two tests so you have different things going into different blocks and then there's this mad competition now in the Bitcoin style system whoever wins is that's the block every other block gets thrown away and there you go now what if it's not clear who's won they have both kind of won at the same time well the first one to get a block on top of it is the real chain you don't get thrown away that's called an orphan block now what if you say well hang on a second here what do we get smart about the mempool because that's gonna be so large we won't be able to stuff everything in one block and said how many wait 10 minutes click click click click click and make them work all pairwise disjoint or something like that so basically if you pick any two blocks that are potential blocks that are being made this one will have no common transactions with this one that's the hope now if you can do that then the next step is saying okay well why don't we just instead of having one linear flow Lochte why don't we just build a web of them like a dag and Bob can work on one block and Alice can work on another block and Bill can work on another block and all of them will be connected to the tree and we know if we serialize all these blocks for that that rank that somehow they'll all bundle together and become one big super block and they'll be no conflicting transactions so they're on a dag proto poles we've written one we wrote a whole theory on it called parallel chains there's a whole science out of Israel from aviv zohar and you notice on Lipinsky specter and phantom there's a paper from promote Vaswani called prism that basically talked about the theory of how to do this Bitcoin and G was another example of that in they have stuff to quit papers that have come out that explain these things from chains talks about the incentives side of it and it's generally speaking a pretty good idea if you can serialize then you can make blocks as quickly as you want you get a pretty good idea that these blocks are mostly pairwise disjoint they have some common transaction so you reduce the overall efficiency but more often than not the efficiency is very good now that doesn't make a lot of sense in the proof of state context because in the case of proof of work you don't know who's going to win but in the case of proof of stake you're doing some decision engine to elect leaders and you're saying okay Bob is the leader now alice is the leader now Jim is leader now so why would you put a protocol in play that basically E is built just to allow people to bolt on blocks as quickly as they can instead what you want to do is is you especially for or Boris say let's just run epics in parallel so basically we're going to elect epoch one epoch to epoch three instead of doing them linearly redo one then two then three you just have the sets work and there's some coherent way of filtering transactions of knowing which one goes in which and how to do cross chart transactions so you can do better in a proof of stake environment where you elect people ahead of time there's a huge advantage of knowing who's going to do what where and how they're going to be ordered and so forth if you don't know that the best you can do is just put in a more sophisticated data structure and then try some exotic technique may be shared mining pools or a serializer or something to help you chop up things and share blocks are pairwise disjoint but good stuff why so moody Charles not moody at all I feel great in greetings from Romania I love Romania it's one of my favorite countries in the world am i familiar with Elrod a project Gregorio Shu is advising on what's my take on it I know of Elrond I've read some things from their website and I know that they're planning on using yella and that they're a Romanian based team so I feel I feel pretty good about any person working with Grigory he's a good guy and you know I haven't really done super due diligence on the project yet so I'm not in a position to say whether they're good or bad but you know the fact that they seem to want to do reasonable things and they're working with reasonable people is at least a pretty good starting point you know it's not hard to to know what to pull together to build a pretty bad bit of cryptocurrency these days the hard part is actually writing all the code getting a release you know building a community around and making it useful having a good growth strategy you know these things take a heck of a lot of time they're a lot of work greetings from Aurora Colorado you know I love the Aurora Art Center whereas a nice place why spend time and efforts on updating Dedalus byron if it's supposed to stop using it in the short time Dedalus is separate from byron these people they're separate what is the front end it's where you store your money it's how you manage everything it is the GUI and it connects to a server that serves the backend and that's the byron client and when shelley comes we take that out set it over here you put Shelley in and Daedalus is here you still have Daedalus think it through oh man you people gonna be the death of me how is Phil WOD lers work going yeah absolutely Grady's working with mo check of Artie and they're doing great work why does gates bed buddy Buffett be against crypto cuz he doesn't understand it and he's very honest he said if I understand it I'm not gonna invest in it guys different boats were different floats he's like 80 let him let him do his thing he's really good at it do I like dogs or cats dogs like animals that when you call them they come to you and love you unconditionally I don't like animals that ignore you all over everywhere place and tear up your couches with their claws okay Charles any plans to make inroads into Jamaica I loved you make a man I'd love to do that but I just haven't had a chance to get around to it I in fact I had to leave Barbados early I was really upset about that no we do not have any active business in Hong Kong at the moment yeah I'm sure cats love us and they're her own kitty cat way my mom and dad have cats and they love their cats I think at times more than me I'm very glad you named your cat Shelly and it should have two E's not onee or else you have a different Shelly hello from London town UK well hello London town UK lovely place it's better than London Ontario which I hear is a dreary dreary place I say that for all of our employees we all love it and Meyer is eighth of the love child of aetherium in bitcoin no comment hello from the Philippines whereabouts in the Philippines Juan Paolo did you get stoned in Barbados guys I live in Colorado think about it Colorado why would you go to Pinos for that and it's like boy I wanna have some wine I should leave France and then I'm going to go ahead and fly to you God why you teach so it's closer to the functional model and actually extent of you teach so it does allow you to have smart contracts so Chuck I've already actually did several presentations if you go to youtube you can see that could basho and Voltaire be completed before Shelley no because Shelley is nearly ready and people don't believe me about that but it is is 2020 timeline still realistic yes can you guys don't believe me about that that's okay Charles were I'm a retired firefighter slash medic you need a hand on your ranch love Colorado Dave were you from your Colorado Charles your thoughts and the cancellation of Justin Suns launch at lunch with Warren Buffett you know I don't understand a dude who spends 5 million dollars or whatever the hell it was to go have dinner with an old guy who's got a lot of money I know a lot of old guys with lots of money I can assure you that it doesn't cost five million dollars to go have a dinner but he said I want to do that and then of course being Justin Sun he's really good at making everything in marketing events so that's exactly what he did he just basically I'm gonna fight this gotta lunch and this got a lunch and coin desk played so into it everybody did they're just like who who's Justin going to invite now oh is he going to invite this guy now is he gonna invite a member of the press they do this whole thing and god it was so much fun to watch I was almost like when McAfee was fleeing from belly's and he was blogging about it real-time about the costumes he was wearing and the other things and you're thinking the back of your head this guy is fleeing the country for because of a murder investigation there's something yet all I could pay attention to is his fake heart attack I was good media it's good it's good entertainment but the dark reality is that he took five million dollars of investor money and spent it to have lunch with somebody I I spent five million dollars of project capital to basically send an entire smart contract research and development program for well more in the year with 19 people in some of the world's top scientists what's more useful to your ecosystem I mean I guess ultimately people have to decide that but I just can't understand why that seems to be a good thing to do then he says he has kidney stones and decides not to go and then that day he's at a party I mean if I spent five million dollars for lunch guys I don't care someone cut my dick off I put it in the freezer bandaged myself up go to dinner and go to lunch and then politely excuse 45 minutes to go get it reattached and hope it still works afterwards okay five million dollars is not a trivial amount of money for anyone I don't care who you are and it just was unbelievable to me that went down that way you know the other thing is moving it from New York City Smith and Wollensky there to Silicon Valley I like Smith & Wollensky in New York City's great restaurant really great restaurant good place to be New York's a great place to be it's a it's a big financial center and I once saw Keanu Reeves there it's a good restaurant I said nothing about that made any sense to me that's that's that quote about the dig is probably gonna become a meme or something like that Charles dick freezer well I'm just having fun today Charles have you ever looked deep within yourself yes especially during isolation tank therapy where you float in the tank silently for 90 minutes with no light no sound see within yourself also when I read Victor Frankel's book man's search for meaning good old logo therapy programmer from the phillipines manila well I'm glad that they're finally making some upgrades to the airport manila you know it used to be you had to take a bus from one terminal to the other and take you two or three hours and you'd miss your flight even though it's like right next to it come on let's find something did you find meaning nope and Rick asked did you go to Barbados to rescue john mcafee now Rick you might be more on the mcafee train than I am so is he currently captured or is he back on his his gun yacht or what Rick like what's the what's the story there do you know does anybody know about McAfee I'm sorry I just I had a time to follow that twitter feed I really do like Takei he's so entertaining I really do and he's just an interesting guy oh he was released and he's Lithuania and anybody else can confirm that it was on Twitter yes okay he's in Cuba good hold McAfee I mean at some point we'll do something together I ran a dam at Malta last year and I didn't have a chance to talk with him much but what we'll do something at some point I don't know what it'll be but it'll be really awesome he was detained but back on Twitter okay I love these questions right here Charles you said at the beginning of next year year that in 2019 we we would fight to be the third fourth place in coin market cap and yet it's all going the way down the 13th place any reason because it's like it's good to be back I took a week off I I got poked and prodded scanned and these are the questions I get come on guys come on guys uh Charles Ozzie what are your biggest priority right now Epping Shelley is the biggest priority yeah you know it's long overdue we've got so much damn work we got to do and we're doing it we're getting it done the team is working so hard we're real proud of them it just takes time and I'm incredibly glad to see that we're moving in the right direction just takes time and I'm very very happy that we know where we're at it's not number one priority though I can't really do much else until Shelley's out and by the way I have to put my whole company on hold you know we have other great ideas and we have other products and projects we'd like to publicly announce or work on but we can't really do that until Shelly's done you have to finish a before you can do to be so I don't really like the idea of putting an entire company on a whole to get a product out I'd like to get that product out so there's an enormous amount of pressure in urgency to to get these things done here any thoughts on the recent IRS letter news I didn't get one pay your taxes people charles thoughts on physical gold as an investment I love the idea of owning it holding it having it the only problem is you have to have a place to put it and it would be extremely unfortunate if you had half a million dollars of gold and very cheap safe and somebody broke into your home and stole all of it so then you say oh well maybe I'll store it somewhere else but then you kind of did the whole purpose of owning the gold right so if you have the facility that you can physically store it and you think that's that's a good deal then that makes a lot of sense but if you don't then unfortunately it does suffers from that same problem that's why I love crypto because Bitcoin at this point is basically digital gold it's not going away it has that same value proposition and you can do a3 a5 multi-sig or something and you know just later let your devices and put them in safety deposit boxes around the world I mean you can you get so much better security out of Bitcoin than you ever could physical gold what has been your last wow moment from Korg on it actually here for the show Malia resumed painting just behind me I noticed this the other day you know the old depictions if you read like any of the old Roman historians or you kind of study Roman history I the old depictions of gladiators is that they would look towards whoever's putting on the games so it's the little box and that would be the person who would decide whether the person lives or dies when they they kill them and you shouldn't let them go they'd make it a little of an act out of it but at the end of the day gladiators property and killing property's a bad deal for everybody and gladiators were also kind of like celebrities for their day so they actually markets stuff and advertised stuff so just like we with bicyclists and you know NASCAR they put things on their cars or it actually advertise products during the games which is just a crazy thought that capitalism existed even packed in Rome but in the painting the gladiator is not looking at the Emperor he's looking at the audience and the Emperor looks displeased I never noticed that it was just a WoW moment I was like wow there's only a Rome was painting this defiant gladiator who the prima donna and so arrogant that he thinks that he can unilaterally decide from the crowd whether his personal lives or dies instead of the instead of the Emperor and it's just a beautiful moment the beautiful painting but you know it's it's important to get these little things and notice these little things and art always does that for you Charles I'm taking the girlfriend to Japan can you suggest some places to visit I did the strips so start Tokyo and just taking cons into Osaka and then stop in Kyoto and then also stop in Nara the shikon simone t'stop in nara so go to osaka first and then take this sub take train to nara it's like 45 minutes if you do that strip that's a whole week and you'll see everything yeah you can go to the robot cafe in Tokyo it's C Shibuya Roppongi and you can go to Ginza you can kind of see the Emperor's Palace from afar to go to Tokyo Tower and then when you go to Kyoto there's tons of things to do there and then Nara is just amazing the episode IG and those tiny deer and then Osaka is a lot of fun as well go to numba and there's super good food if you're there longer than go up north fly up to Hokkaido that's North Island there's hot springs there and some very old castles that are not molested by time and we didn't destroy them when we invaded so that's a good place to go Osaka Castle is also a good day trip I'm more of an afternoon ADA a feminist coin know it as the people's coin Jarrell's when you and the team delivers Shelly what will you do to celebrate I am going to do the craziest thing in the world I am been training getting my Mountain here and ice climbing skills back up and been actually taking paragliding and paramotor lessons and after Shelly ships we're going to go down to Antarctica with the Iceman it's wim HOF we're gonna go climb Mount Ayr I have a 30 year old bottle of Macallan whiskey with me drink some of that when we summit then we're gonna paramotor back down to the base camp so that's my Shelly celebration party maybe Cogan takes a little bit of time to get there and I have to wait for winter to break and also I've always wanted to climb Mount Eric is in the name it's not actually particularly tall or interesting mountain but Mount Ayr and Antarctica I'm for Keable Algar and all BFT protocols are unfortunate 'is achieved is achieved you can't go back there's no row backs Charles went general Rogan podcast after Shelley and after after Shelley and then after Gogan probably you have to have enough meme potatoes for a show of that scale I mean just like Tron there was nothing there to justify a 5 million dollar marketing outlay so why would you go and try to get on the show with that huge broad spectrum and say oh we have all the stuff that's shipping but it's not here yet after it ships and you can do stuff and there's democracy and there's tons of really cool things to talk about us not lots of momentum that's when you go talk to Joe and you get them all like super excited and and you know maybe I can get them come Colorado or something we have Willie Nelson them and it'll be a cool episode and then I'll have the Elan musk t-shirt I love Willie yeah course of Macallan 30 is an excellent choice there's not many of them floating around - that's the kind of whiskey you drink when you're celebrating something Charles what keeps you awake in the middle of the night your biggest fear you know after being pushed out of aetherium and you know living the life I've lived I've had a lot of near-death experiences I've gotten to 52 countries I've been to really really bad places in the world and been shot at and all these things there's not much in life that really bothers me that much you know you have to have the confidence to know that no matter what happens you're gonna land on your feet and no matter how hard you get hit you can get back up it's it's not about being able to be the big guides it's being able to create opportunities and chances over and over again that you're always still relevant you always have a shot because you can't predict the weather you can't predict the the world you lose elections you know you know you get fired from your company your company goes out of business macroeconomic environment goes crazy you can know the future you can just be too late there was plenty of people 2008 he knew that the mortgage market was gonna go completely crazy but then he couldn't afford the negative carry to make money on it and they just basically got broke some I was weeks before making a big Ellen Musk was 12 hours away from bankruptcy you know when Tesla was was in a starkest time in 2008 so it's not about the fear it's just about the confidence to know that you can overcome these things and to have a sane way of making decisions you have to make them from first principles and you have to have good checks and balances with the way you think and make sure that you share it Charles why don't you have any kids just never had them I guess I'll end up like Wallace from Blade Runner 20 49 I'll go blind and live in a weirdo wooden watery palace and talk about angels and have millions of replicants that is my future I was such a good movie Danny Valley new is just damn good director y'all excited for dune the remake of dune come on guys what is your target life right now right now I am so excited and so far enough for the launch of Shelley that is my target that is where I'm looking that's where we're going after Shelley I'll go climb Mount Ayr and sent you guys some great Twitter pictures and thank you finally somebody can't believe for dune you know it's gonna be a great remake I mean it's gonna be hard to be naked sting but come on it's gonna be great and the spice must flow good ol Arrakis well I don't you can't be developing any new projects in their future maybe maybe not why it's cool to be me loved by all you ever do any hunting Charles no but some people very close to me hunt very regularly they have Bo hunt and that's that's always an interesting thing and if they're successful I eat help me and I eat a lot of it for a long period of time so I get very excited during the first two weeks and then after that I say can I have something else but no I don't hunt personally do you travel a lot how about gay hunting I don't even know what that is I don't want to know after Connecticut and all the experiences there I don't want to how to it'll return to that yeah I love this right here you ever see a sasquatch though a sasquatch is a great example of deficiencies in critical thinking there actually are people who live every day wake up every day and they believe in Bigfoot and their Bigfoot hunters and they've devoted their life to finding these creatures and you say guys everything in existence in the earth is finite biological systems are finite they die okay doesn't matter if there are these old sharks that live 500 years or those damn lobsters that never seem to die at some point they die okay so if you have a Bigfoot or a Loch Ness monster you don't have one you have a breeding population and they die and when they die they leave corpses which means you find their bones why we have dinosaur bones even 65 million years later so if the Bigfoot exists where are the bodies you'd find them and they would be not human they would be something else and they would be recent and we'd find them in the forest we'd find the corpses unless they dissolve into dust or something like that come on this is crazy so you know it's just a great example you got to think the whole thing through and people believe in strange wonky things look actually I have a story about doing in spice so I used to play EVE Online many years ago and I macro mind when I played EVE Online and I had a corporation and basically the the company had a bunch of bot accounts which because you could buy those Plex carpets for about 250 million hisk and they would all trained up on a hulks and I dice mined with them and I eventually had dozens of these things running concurrently so it became quite an obsession I and I supplied an enormous amount of ice and ship it to Jetta and the ATAG line of the company was the ice must flow kind of like spice the ice must flow and I got so obsessed with it I realized that it would at some point have lifestyle implications if I kept doing it I would end up like that guy from the south part World of Warcraft episode so I said okay I have to stop and I and I never looked back although I do miss em from from time to time ask Joe Pesci for the bodies by the way guys new movie coming out the Irishman you got ALPA Chino you got Robert De Niro angyeo Pesci back together come on now that is going to be goddamn amazing movie you all know it and Martin Scorsese apparently th people too Charles as much as we love hearing your thoughts any chance of minimizing the amount of conversation hijacking in the interviews so that they can get a few more questions in No am i storming area51 who's to say I haven't already done there alright how's your implementation of Ada and Ethiopia it's actually at ala + ADA and there's ongoing negotiations there things are running on Africa time I love you too Jake in a completely platonic way okay Charles have you tried DMT or LSD if so can you tell us about your experiences sorry guys can't kiss and tell how is it Allah helping ADA that has been explained in prior AMAs please refer to them ADA versus Yosef five years from now it's kind of like Oh what was that old competition what was that when Microsoft was going that'll come to me in a little bit I'll remember and then then yeah I'll come back to it he OS is my favorite whipping boy okay let's see here I love questions like this Charles what are your thoughts on the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian people how can that question be answered in any reasonable way that doesn't piss off a lot of people and why is that question even being asked of me I am a CEO of a cryptocurrency company and we're building a cryptocurrency I am NOT a geopolitical guy I'm not in charge of this I have nothing to do that I've picked any sides about with Israel or Palestine or anything the only country that I supported the United States because I'm an American I live here yeah yeah I have my and I like all good Americans I have my criticisms of the government and the politicians running it but I don't really have a choice not to be at least somewhat pro America but outside of that you know I stay out of geopolitics except for certain notable instances like Social Credit in China which i think is one of the greatest human rights violations in the entire world and it enables things like the concentration camps of millions of Muslims in western China and the longer that goes on the more pernicious that becomes the more of the collective soul of the entire world will lose and we should never tolerate that type of dystopian ism hey ideas about Trump in 2020 now that what I can comment on because I'm an American he will win if the Democrats keep fielding these types of candidates just the fact they're crazy the aoc wing of the party is crazy and yeah I'm sorry you just can't say 70 percent taxes 5 percent wealth tax free everything is trillion dollars of student loans get excused destroy the entire private health care system I you just can't do that you can't you can't take a half of the entire US economy and socialize it Venezuela style and then honestly run like that you know we have many problems in this country that could be solved by compromise in collaboration 2005 we tried to do a guest worker program for immigration it fell through that's a big part of the illegal immigration problem it's not even being entertained it's as coal sale legalization so as much as I distain Trump and everything he stands for and how he communicates and how he represents our country he will continue to be our president if the Democrats keep doing what they're doing kind of Bernie Sanders guy then no I don't like anybody who goes to the Soviet Union on their honeymoon it's an evil evil place could SolarWinds white card on oh dear no did you ever lose a dream yes they even sell a mask for that Charles do you eat kosher halal that's the clever question of the are you one of those triple parenthesis people I'm actually not Jewish lineage wise I'm Italian Catholic and there's almost no Judaism in the family and point zero two percent or something like that else can AZ Jew but everybody seems to think I am Jewish and I'm not sure why a 4chan especially son they pet pictures of me was like the hook nose and the triple parenthesis and so forth I even once actually took her 23andme genealogy test cuz I was curious about the two sides at the family I didn't know much about because I know I'm Norwegian and Italian I was wondering what the other side was and I publicly posted those results on Twitter glasses in the beard okay fair enough and I do like bagels and lox they stole your DNA guys I assure you with my lifestyle my DNA was lost long ago long long ago ciao day they call me stop come on guys give me some good questions bagels yeah you got it hm Charles will you be able to stake on the euro wallet my understanding is yes but that is an American Charles question Charles what's beyond the doors of the room I'm never going to open them it's gonna be left to your imagination it could be like the Willy Wonka scene where they open it up and you have the chocolate River or it could be a utility closet or it could be part of a house ork this could be my office you never know part of the magic you have to have magic guys would you like to do a karaoke you know I did every time I go to Japan got a lot of karaoke that's Japan meth-lab there are a few breaking bad memes of me your love dungeon is the rest team waiting for the Haskell team to catch up with test net part two no they're just running ahead soon as they're ready they're ready they're gonna launch and we're just gonna keep going till something gets done paramotor garage there we go you sound like you took some drinks before this ama no my just don't give a level has reached peak I'm also back from vacation have you read last question from Isaac Asimov yes Charles what do you think of cosmos man are you any closer to purchasing a Lamborghini tractor I will buy one and when you guys ask one Lambo I will take a picture and I'll tweet it are you a workaholic II yes can you explain the advantages of rust and Haskell over C++ if you have to ask the explanation will be lost on you do you believe in God not my Mountain sticking by Christmas yes or Santa is gonna come and get me and kick the crap out of me with a bag full of coal if a non US military want to develop on car Dada would you have an issue with that I would have an issue with anybody who develops a card on it's an open platform it's an open protocol everybody gets to use the internet everybody should be able to use card ATO Lovely's rapid-firing what would be your favorite song depends on my mood there are many I can be from a Trent Reznor song all the way to Pink Floyd and if I'm just an emo mode it was my favorite color black what is your replacement there is a single person risk that's also known as a key man risk they're actually three people that were I'm growing up in bedding within the company to replace me and yes Lamborghini makes tractors Martin it's actually what they started making and the guy who was in charge of Lamborghini was Lamborghini he he actually bought Ferraris and he sent Enzo Ferrari a letter with a bunch of suggestions about things to improve and Enzo Ferrari told him to off so so a Lamborghini got so angry he started making his own high-performance cars and I argue they're far better than Ferraris now especially the Huracan black with red by the way that's why we have it on our logo blonde or brunette redhead do you listen to Tupac no never really see a West Side or East Side he was West Side yeah it was West Side no biggie small was his side if I if memory comes Charles you play golf you come through Louisiana come play a free round on me where you at Dave we're in we're in Louisiana is that nearby nollans or mower cuz I do go from Louisiana from time to time I might take you up on that why do you hate dan Lambert I don't hate dan Larimer I just hated what he lies about our project is say we plagiarized him and it's unforgivable thing to say but I wish him well you know he's living down there in Blacksburg and doing his thing redhead he's Testarossa yeah you can you know with aventador too any plans for cardio in Scandinavia you know I was just in Norway there's an Oslo and then I went up to Trump Seoul and I tried to actually do some dog sledding and unfortunately the tracks were all just washed out because terrible weather I went to go see the Northern Lights and went into Finland and intimidated make a fire at negative-20 during the rain so you got to give those the sami people credit for their ability to survive out there did you ever play non-us sports like cricket I've watched them i watch rugby and cricket i like rugby a lot so really cool sport football is also nice - do you like the Porsche gt3 no no no no Cadillacs Cadillacs are the key and if you're gonna buy a foreign car a Lamborghini is quite nice there are Khan and the Aventador are nice they're both very high quality the Audi r8 is also a very good car I'd argue it's a great starter supercar I love this right here it looks to me like you're not in a rush with Ada and you're waiting for computers to be more powerful to make it happen you want aren't you afraid not delivering you time's up good luck well b4 d traitor you know I have a lot that ADA you know I have that and then you know we can stake with that ADA and if Shelly doesn't ship I can't stake with that ADA so put some pieces together in your mind like just think about that from different angles and imagine if that would create some urgency or not I fell in love with the Audi TT the baseball leather interior yeah the TT is all right it's kind of like a VW Bug that's on steroids Corvette or gt500 Corvette come on pretty count so it's very calm yeah it's been around for a while I don't know why a person would invest that much time and effort into impersonating me but there you go all the more power to them yeah the quartet and the zero six Corvette is great you know I do like Porsche which I just don't like the buttocks 918 is a marvel of engineering in the 911 is a marvel of engineering transmissions they built for Porsche is just amazing I've just never been a fan of the design if you're gonna spend one hundred two hundred thousand dollars on a car Jesus Christ you should get something that looks really beautiful Charles not a fan of Tesla yeah my no Elon Musk well the new roadster comes out maybe let's see what else we got here come on guys see the rapid fire mercedes-benz SL 63 mg come on no crypto Crowe I'm not I'm not a Mercedes man at all anyway I will buy any car even a Kia before I buy a Mercedes Benz all right come on give me the hello you take mine in November huh you come to my place I'll let you drive my ct-6 and he'll never buy another Mercedes again let me tell you thoughts on Craig right unlike what I've already already said he's molten tar no matter what happens if you get it on you can't get it off and it burns you sound like you know a lot about cars with your favourite supercar you know it's always a trade-off because the best supercars are damn near impossible to fix or do anything with once you break them like the Koenigsegg is it's just they're the best of the best they make Bugatti Veyrons look like crap but if you break anything at all like like a small amount of damage in a Koenigsegg it'll take you like six months to get your car back you know the other hand labor you need to probably got the best of the the repair Network son they don't have to ship at the tourney Italy anymore to fix them because they're using Audi parts so a lot of dealerships can fix them these days and there's a lot of mechanics floating around so and as the performance of the coning seeks so much better than one of the high-end Aventadors not really well if you're doing like some extreme track stuff that said I mean if you're an American just like a Dodge Hellcat or dodge demon or really souped-up Mustang and you probably couldn't smoke all these things all righty McLaren Spyder no oricon Spyder much better come on give me one good question hand on guys I'm looking for it Charles what is your relationship with Andreas Antonopoulos I see him around we talked from time to time we you know there's not a bad relationship there he's just he's just doing his thing I do my thing there's a lot of that in the space and that's fine what's your favorite topic in mathematics statistics or calculus math is much larger than statistic I studied number theory I also like logic a lot and I really really enjoy reverse mathematics as well Charles my first lamb but we'll have a custom paint job dedicated to you and your genius well have fun with that what is the spiciest thing you've ever eaten oh that is that's a great story actually end this I'm gonna tell that I think this is the first time I've ever told it publicly so I was down to Louisiana this was years ago years ago and I was visiting a friend I was staying at a hotel with another friend and I was refilling my rental car at a gas station now down south gas stations can be public bazaars public events in this particular gas station was just that so people were selling things there was a little stand out for food and this really creepy weirdo comes up to me and it's must be in his 50s he's missing some teeth his hair is all gone yeah they're like Riley things on the side and he looks at me those beady eyes and he says hey boy get out to my truck I will show you something I was like oh wow this this what could possibly go wrong I'm in my 20s I can take this guy this is gonna be fun let's do it let's figure out so I said Shawn my card you know head over to his truck and he opens up the back of his pickup truck and he looks at me with those bloodshot beady eyes and he says you want to take a ride on the devil's penis and I'm thinking myself that this how I die I get raped at a gas station murdered this is gonna be great but sure enough he takes this blanket off and he's got this blue penis shaped bottle with horns on it and I'm thinking to myself what the hell is that this this is not how it's supposed to end for me and it turned out that he was actually trying to sell me hot sauce and apparently he makes it himself and the little dick on the top unscrews and there you can have your hot sauce so I'm thinking man I am never gonna have another opportunity of my life to buy a blue dick shaped bottle of hot sauce from a credo and Louisiana gas station so I'm gonna do that so I gave him a hundred bucks got this crazy-ass bottle I'd go back to my hotel and friend I was staying with me comes over and he says the hell is that then I tell the whole story anything you sure it's hot sauce it could be drugs or poison or something I say well it's probably not that expensive to be drugs especially given the the bottle and how expensive it must be it might be poisoned but you the guy seems legit I kind of want to believe it's hot sauce so we started arguing like what should we do with it should we throw it away should we just leave it forever you know what are we gonna do it eventually when you settle on let's go to the Mexican restaurant that's down the street and you know how make us something so we go to the Mexican restaurant I come walking in with this blue a cheap bottle and the lady at the front she's like what is going on here you're crazy gringo now I explained the whole situation to her and they say well we have some chili in the back you know we can bring it out and you could put some of the hot sauce and we could try it I said okay so we're sitting there chips and just waiting for that chili to come the bottle sitting there upon the - go on the on the table and and eventually the manager comes out and he has a bowl of chili for me and I screwed a little top-off look at it smell it my I start watering it really definitely seems like it's spicy and I just put you know a little bit of it in the chili and you stir the chili up and I'm looking at that chili and I must have been look at that chili it seemed like five minutes it was probably a lot less but everybody liked the waiters are coming over the managers there the other people in the restaurant are just kind of looking at me like what the hell is that blue dick bottled weirdo doing and eventually I look at my friend and ice like who's gonna do this is you or me he said well you bought the bottle you got to do it I asked true I should so I went ahead and took a little sip of the soup in the chili and it just felt like fire was going down my entire throat my esophagus it was the the hottest hot sauce I've ever had in my life I could have been rocket fuel for all I knew boy I only took one bite of it and I started sweating out on a controllably I was worried I'd to go to the hospital or something and I screwed the little top back on and it took probably a full hour for me to recover so I never I never had another hit of the the hot sauce I think one ride on the devil's penis was enough and for years I had the bottle but eventually I gave it to a friend of mine who collected hot sauce and I kind of miss it I wish I had it floating around somewhere because I'd be holding it while telling you the story that is the hottest thing I've ever had crazy weirdos Louisiana Hot Sauce the at the gas station and anyway on that story I wish you guys all well this was a heck of a lot of fun and we'll we'll definitely have David ester come on out like the Kraken and give you guys some good updates and we have some cool things coming soon so I'll talk to y'all later Cheers
