hi everybody charles hoskinson here broadcasting live from warm sunny colorado always warm always sunny sometimes colorado so how y'all doing it is september 26th 2020. it's been a very long year lots of stuff going on a lot of people doing various things i just got back from wyoming i literally drove down earlier today and the whole state was called in fires so while leaving laramie and going down 287 uh it was like red dawn you know the whole air was just filled with smoke and nastiness and and the sun was basically being filtered through so it was uh pretty uh pretty ugly and uh unfortunately these fires are not yet contained so we wish everybody well up in uh wyoming it was a great event went to the hackathon the stampede hackathon over at university of wyoming i also got to tour the iohk lab that we have at the university of wyoming and talked to jim caldwell and cam who's the department chair of computer science and the dean and the president lesig of the university uh so it was just uh wonderful to spend some time with the academics there i also had a chance to talk to governor gordon governor of the state of wyoming and mayor of cheyenne and a lot of the politicos and legislature along with the usual suspects caitlyn long and so forth uh it was nice to see tim draper he attended in person and it was also nice to see brock pierce he was there as well in person he's been having fun running around the state and his campaign people were there but he's always an entertaining guy to spend some time with and uh talk about a variety of issues uh presidential runs are are hard affairs and i better him than me to go through that it's tough um didn't have time for a haircut i was scheduled for it and unfortunately couldn't do that as for uh the rest of the stuff a lot of things to talk about many of you know that my dog just recently died i have four dogs but the smallest and oldest was named bambi and uh someone who was dying of cancer gave me the dog and her dying wish was that i take care of the dog and i said okay and uh it was a really interesting experience having uh having that dog because bambi unfortunately suffered from epilepsy it's the only dog i've ever had that had that and so i had to give her medicine every day and eventually it ended up being phenobarbital which is a pretty powerful drug but she just kept on living and later in life she developed uh mitral valve prolapse which turned into mitral valve regurgitation and unfortunately for tiny old epileptic dogs there's not much you can do there and so she started developing congestive heart failure and uh when it got to the point where every time she coughed it was painful and she was coughing constantly and the lasik stopped working there was really nothing more that could be done so i put her down but damn i love that dog i really did i didn't expect to love her as much as i did she'd sleep on my chest and every person who visited the farm she'd run up to him and wag her tail and lick him and uh you know you just don't get too many dogs like that you know i remember years ago listening to a radio personality who actually wrote a book about his dog and he said that you know why people always ask why the dogs die so quickly they say well you know if they live longer then we'll outlive they'll outlive us and then who takes care of them when we're gone so in a sense it is a blessing that they go before we do uh so that you don't run in these situations of who takes care of these old dogs so i wish you well bambi it was tough uh but you know outside of that it's actually been a pretty good week we've uh we've accomplished a lot we've done a lot uh update on bittrex a huge amount of work went this week into the wallet and we went back and forth with their guys they finally managed to get a working build with all the performance enhancements and we're taking a look at seeing if that's good enough so it's in bittrex's hands they're testing it they're running transactions and they have acceptance criteria on our side the benchmarks look good and we'll see if their environment they look good as well we have done an enormous amount of stuff including creating new apis for them a lot of micro benchmarking we found tons of areas that were accidentally quadratic under large sets and of utxo are able to clean that up so that's one prong of the strategy we're also at the same time giving them a script to do utxo defragmentation uh next week they'll have that so if the performance improvements we've done don't work or they're not good enough for them then perhaps defragmenting etxo getting a smaller utxo set and segregating the wallets we'll solve their problem we're also investigating using slightly different stuff in the software stack if for some reason the micro benchmarking doesn't work but i'm very optimistic um i there's no reason at this point i think there for there to be an issue probably the issues at this point will be configuration or environmental but it should be uh close to the end of the rainbow it's been a very frustrating bug and problem uh because it's like an endless river we keep improving things but it doesn't ever seem to be what's necessary and we say okay we'll just keep doing it and we learned a lot along the way and this benefits every single exchange and this benefits every single user of ada so there's a definite commercial value in product value but i understand how incredibly frustrating it can be if you're a user of uh bittrex to have that wallet be down and it was never anybody's intent and we never thought it would take this long uh and no other exchanges are having the issue it's just this particular environment configuration were unique the good news is we'll never be down this road again we're almost completely green across the spectrum for all exchanges bittrex is the only major exception at the moment and this software is materially not going to change dramatically in terms of how to list it how to interface with it and work with it so when gogen comes and voltaire infrastructure comes and basia infrastructure comes uh none of these things are going to be as dramatic as the byron the shelley transition uh so that's the good news uh you know it's kind of a light at the end of the tunnel that this is one of those last things we have to accomplish but you know we'll work our way through it uh in terms of the delivery of gogan we'll have a lot to say this month and next month that the product updates about it i've always looked at gogan as is kind of like a three-phase delivery so one side of it is um transaction metadata and is starting to get to a point where you have non-monetary transactions so uh basically you say okay i'm not just sending ada to somebody but now this transaction is carrying a payload with it which has a non-data related utility so for example uh we this month finished all the metadata stuff it into the cardinal wallet and into the node and now we're starting to use the metadata field for the credential verification program that we're doing in georgia things like beef chain and other things that are related to identity and track and trace and so forth so that's a permanent feature and utility that exists within cardano and it's a major milestone for where gogan comes the second thing is moving from a single asset to a multi-asset system so people can issue their own uh tokens on cardona and it's got to be done in a phased way because there's many different types of tokens there's security tokens utility tokens fungible tokens not fungible tokens we have a very different way of doing it and so we're building some commercial software for that called uh the erc20 converter and basically this is going to be something the commercial team can use and we'll share it with other commercial teams outside of the firm to help people basically migrate from ethereum to cardano it's a process there's an accounting side and a logic side uh to it so great progress has been made there and we have a beautiful standard for multi-asset which we feel is significantly more competitive than erc20 is because erc20 is a smart contract built on top of ethereum and it's very different from ether whereas our way of doing things is we say okay when we go from single asset to a multi-asset ledger your assets issued are actually treated the same way from an accounting perspective as ada is and so there's huge advantages to that when you talk about layer two infrastructure optimization cost reduction and so forth so we have a really cool way of doing that and i think it's quite novel and people who are issuers of tokens are going to get very excited about this and we will have a wonderful presentation this week about a particular project that's migrating over from ethereum to cardano and they're really excited to work with us and um i think you guys already know what that project is but i'll wait for the announcement it's uh just in a few days for the uh for the product update uh and there will be many more to come especially as that infrastructure turns on and then the third category is the programmability and there's really two approaches to take there there's the full general purpose programming language where for both on and off chain interactions and that's plutus and then we have the dsl driven approach which is uh languages like marlow for example uh and both of them are meant for specific people so we'll have some things to say at the end of this month about pollutus and marlow and we'll have a lot more to say especially about marlow in october uh and uh the coming weeks and months there's going to be a huge amount of gogan rollout and discussion so metadata is already here uh we'll have some things to say about multi-assets soon and the building of marlow and plutus is is very deep in the weeds it's four years in the making and things are being pulled over gradually into cardano stick pool operators are the first to know because they're the ones who upgrade the nodes fastest and a lot of you guys with node 1.20 starting to see that there's a lot of gilgam related work that's starting to happen and there's a great release cadence there it's on a weekly or bi-weekly basis so we'll have a lot to say soon but i'm not going to front run any announcements in this in this ama but overall i'm very happy with where we sit because especially when you talk about the general purpose language plutus it is functional but there's another project we're subsidizing called newton which is exploring an imperative flavor of that which means that it looks like javascript so you can kind of have your cake and eat it too you can have a functional haskell-like language and then you can have a more traditional language and developers will have multiple paths to write smart contracts but then they invent they benefit from all the infrastructure we're constructing the verification infrastructure the testing tooling uh the ability to do specifications the inevitable formal verification toolkits that are going to be constructed for these contracts as well as just the broader community of experts that live there marketing is another big area that i'm spending quite a bit of time these days on we hire lisa and i'm going to make sure she gets introduced to the community at some point soon hopefully maybe the product update at the end of this month if not this month certainly in the month of october we also hired david orr a community member who makes phenomenal videos and what i've assigned lisa and david to do is first product marketing so we're going to systematically walk our way through every component of cardano or aboris extended utxo plutus just kind of work our way through the whole thing and in each and every one of them we'll talk about where did it come from why is it built correctly and they get into the details of how does it work why is it special what makes it unique and then finally we're going to do comparison marketing i have five targets on the permissionless side and two targets on the permissions side the five targets on the permissionless side are al grand eos tasos f2 and polka dot i think that's a fair sampling of those aspiring to be in the third generation class and the bulk of the questions i get about well can you compare our boris to what tezos does or to what al grant does so those are the questions i keep getting so let's go ahead and answer those things so this is going to consume a big chunk of her time and our marketing efforts in the next 60 to 90 days and i'm going to really crack the whip hard to make sure that we get lots of content out that handle those three categories you know where did it come from why is it credible we've kind of told that story with the peer review formal methods but there's more to say the actual how does it work we also have done this in a very technical way but we need to do it in a slightly more user-friendly way which is one of the reasons why david is here amongst others and then uh the third category of comparison marketing that has to be done moving beyond the next 60 to 90 days then begins campaign marketing where we actually start talking about specific constituencies and stakeholders that ought to come into the cardinal ecosystem because there's just so much natural synergy with what we're doing and what they're aspiring to do we already without doing any of that have a lot of people have come to us and asked us we want to be part of cardona how do we do that so it's a phenomenal product when you don't even have to sell it to sell it you don't even have to market it to market it but we can do better and there's a lot of venues where we can get much more notoriety and much more visibility in so we're we have some strategies internally but i'm not going to announce them here uh about which stakeholders to prioritize and how we're going to roll out the good news is that the foundation's already doing a good job with merriam the developer portal for example is a good step there and there's a lot of very creative ideas that are flowing and there's already a lot of community effort where they're really pushing hard saying we want a market too and so the existence of voltaire is going to definitely help people out there uh so uh it's gonna be a bit more time to get that completely spooled up because these people are just getting used to where we're at and there's tons of questions asked and there needs to be kind of an assembly line constructed with the scientists the engineers and the marketing people but it is a very high priority and because i'm micromanaging it i'm not going to let them slip through it's going to get done one way or another and we will get it done one way or another because we've built an amazing product we've built an amazing protocol and this amazing ecosystem with an amazing community it makes absolutely no sense at all to me to undervalue marketing we're ready for that now and with gogan turning on voltaire already on shelly on uh we need the users we're going to absorb them quickly and we're going to become a titan in 2021. so a lot of marketing is coming down the pipe on the voltaire side uh fun too is opened up i think over 2000 people have signed up for idea scale and are actively commenting there's very vibrant conversations that are occurring there and a lot of back and forth a lot of great ideas and it's actually bringing some old people out of the woodwork who said ah you know we'll come back later they're actually waking up and they're coming on in so that's really exciting to see uh the progress there and that's the beginning and so it's entirely possible every time we do this every generation the fun is get more accessibility uh that we will see 10 000 people 12 000 people in idea scale talking every time a funding round comes in and remember these funding rounds come every six to eight weeks and then they're eventually becoming even faster and then they'll be layered so we also have been talking about bringing some more partners in idea scale was the first partner we were looking to concepts like sociocracy and holacracy and so forth and we've been talking a lot about auditing oversight and basically assurance that when funds come in there's track and trace of the behavior and the execution to verify that things were done correctly much like a grant program would so it's all an experiment and it's evolving very rapidly but uh dorr is a great product manager and he's got a great team and so i'm i'm very happy to see how quickly things have come together for them and they're going to keep pushing hard and i have no doubt that they're going to have a a really good time in the next six months transitioning from a prototype to a fully working beautiful governance stack that's based on best practices and principles that have come over the last 25-30 years of the people who study these types of things okay so that's the update side let's get to your questions huh let's see what we got here [Music] lol at the bottom left of the screen yeah you know it's really unfortunate we live in this day and age where um i have to put a banner in my screen saying i'll never give away ada uh but this is the world we live in uh you know youtube doesn't care and the social media doesn't care they have built phenomenally advanced algorithms uh automated a manual that allow them to d platform political speech that they don't like so all this fact checking all this stuff okay great and if you say the wrong things instantly to platform but if you're a criminal attempting to steal money from people impersonating other people hacking people's channels to do this perfectly fine no problem no nothing to see here it to an extent where they're being sued by steve wozniak they're being sued by ripple still no problem at all it keeps happening they're just tone deaf and then they say oh we can't solve it you can d platform speech you don't like but you can't platform a pattern of behavior that any intelligent agent would easily be able to detect why because they just don't care they just absolutely don't care i'm 100 convinced of it we have repeatedly publicly and privately attempt in every way possible to get youtube to take this seriously and to stop these scams they don't care so now i've gotten to a point where i actually have to put my videos i will never give away ada and i'll keep doing it if they keep making these videos one light at the end of the tunnel is if people are trying to steal ada i guess we're doing a pretty good job making ada great people don't steal worthless things so maybe that makes you feel a little bit better hi charles is iohk related to the united nations uh the united nations uh and our company we uh we've been donating money for certain hackathons and things and we rub shoulders all the time because we do a lot of impact capital stuff and um things in the developing world which are considered humanitarian but of course they're sustainable because they have a an economic component to them and uh the relationship there is only going to improve and there are many satellite things like the world food program and these other things that there's just an overlap in our mission we care a lot about economic identity we care a lot about improving the world and so it is really important uh that we know of them and we work with them where and when we can but before we partner with any person we always start principles and values and first principles okay so we have a very clear idea about who we are what we want to accomplish when people use the software we write the values behind that software for example always open source if people come to me and say bunch of proprietary software i say well that sounds like a lot of fun for a different company best of luck we tell them go pound sand uh similarly when we sit down and we think about things like social credit in china these dystopian systems that basically the government owns your identity your data everything about who you are as a digital person is controlled by a third party we will never advocate for architecture infrastructure or data management this way so if a government comes to us and says let's go do that we're intrinsically opposed to it so there's no way no how it's not going to happen so there's the values part then we look at particular geographies and circumstances and we say okay what can we do within that value set for our mission as a company and if it just so happens that the united nations is doing it or the world food program or some other organization and we can work together and still preserve those values we do where we can't work together tell them pound sam so it's a big organization and it's a big world sometimes they're with us sometimes we're not with us and that's just the way it is well iohk every ipo you know i own 100 of the company and it would be problematic for me if i had to actually be a ceo of a publicly traded company then i'd have to have a media person that tells me what i'm allowed to say and then the sec would do this as it's a lot to be part of a public i'm friends with a lot of guys who are ceos of fortune 500 companies and you know we'd have dinner and they'd tell me all the horror stories and things they had to do and you know all the stuff they had to deal with activist shareholders suing them so i'm not so keen on these types of things uh but you know the world is changing and uh maybe it somewhere on the road uh we could do like iohk becomes a security token and then there's a more easy way of managing that and then the whole company can be led bottom up could make a lot more sense so so the ship hasn't quite sailed for that but i'm not optimistic under current u.s securities regulations to go pursue that i enjoy being a mission oriented company you know our point is not about profit we wake up every day and we say well we have to make money to keep the lights on so let's do that but we're a mission company and what that means is that every day we see how do we build products that give people economic identity how do we give people products where you own your you are your own bank you are your own identity you are your own data store uh basically all the things you need to interface with society you control that or at least have to give consent for someone else to be a middleman there as opposed to the current system where you don't control anything if we became a publicly traded company where the only thing that mattered was shareholder profit quarterly returns then suddenly we'd be like google where you know they say don't be evil but let's go work with china don't be evil but then let's go work with the nsa and these other things i um i don't want to go down that road so if we could find a way to preserve the soul and the integrity of the organization in the mission of the organization but also make that compatible with the way that these things are that would make some sense because it would help diversify the organization but i'm going to finish cardano first let's let's get all that done before i even think about these crazy things what is your exit strategy oh you never need to sell the company or um do an ipo to have an exit strategy not at all um you just hire a ceo to run the day-to-day and then you turn into cash business you get dividends and you sit on the board it's like the chairman and every quarter you just kind of hold them accountable to a road map so uh no the ipo is not an exit strategy for me i i've made enough money throughout my life that i'm not particularly worried about anything what do you think would happen to crypto in the event of an emp so like an emp that would knock out the entire u.s infrastructure or the global infrastructure so there's really only two things that could happen of that magnitude that would actually be internet scale one would be that somebody detonates nuclear weapons in the atmosphere in just the right way and then they create this halo catastrophic emp that fries all the electronics so the rand corporation and others years ago studied this stuff and they wrote all these reports for the pentagon and it's a well-known thing there's even wikipedia pages and so forth about how this attack could be conducted and unfortunately there's not really good defenses against an attack like that the other thing is some sort of astronomical event occurs astronomy event like like a solar flare or something fries all the electronics that can certainly happen too in both cases uh if they're internet scale the last of your concerns will be about ada you'll be thinking more like my car doesn't start my lights in my house are off i can't chill or heat anything all of the supply chains are shut down the grocery store everything's gonna rot in a week outside of the canned food and so forth uh you're you're gonna be like walking dead worried for survival not about how do i get access to my ada the good news is that there's a lot of persistent storage around there that probably would survive an event like that and as a consequence if only one survives it's like finding some dna you can clone it and so the whole network can be restored so actually we're in a significantly better position as a decentralized system uh to survive a global scale event uh like that than centralized fragile systems are because they tend to be all co-located and highly optimized and something that knocks them out knocks the whole thing out so yeah it's a scary thing to think we have this whole digital world and one thing could just like end the entire digital world will stable coins be built on ada yes in fact we're actively aggressively looking into that we will make some announcements about it what are your current thoughts about spakra i'm staying out of spacru my only position about spacre is i think it's good idea for dedicated representation to form for state pool operators and my belief is more is better so there will be diversity geographic and leadership philosophy philosophy and there's going to be differences of opinion it is not my place to pick winners and losers it's never been i live underneath this system and what i need is great partners to work with to have discussions about the economic parameters of the system once the system reaches full stability so that we can get a better feedback loop on getting those parameters where they need to go for the system to be stable so i'm glad to see spock reform i'm glad to see the innovation there and i hope more will happen and i hope that the foundation steps up and really gets deeply involved and starts doing things like an industrial steering committee an advisory board these types of things so that they can get more community participation in the organization and i suspect that will happen you know the leadership is going to eventually move in that direction but again it's not my place to think about these things i worry about let's get it working it's a lot of work any update on endor i've been part of endor in a long time i was an advisor for indoor and they didn't have really enough money to pay advisors and they decided to scale back a bit and so i said all right well if you ever need me call me otherwise i'll just stick around but it's a cool project and there's good people there they work with alex pentland and i'm always interested in these data analytics stuff and so forth but i didn't really have a chance to roll up my sleeves and get deep into it like i did with polymath polymath i had a one-year contract and filled out the contract and i said all right well you got poly mesh good good luck go do it uh they chose a tech stack with polymesh that you know really i can't contribute much to they built it on parity substrate uh so it's more gavin's thing than my thing had they built something on the cardano side then obviously i'd still be actively advising and doing things but they're good people there and they work well every now and then i take these advisor positions and i try to scope them to a particular task or a particular period of time and sometimes they're compensated sometimes they're not compensated just depends on the project charles you look tired my dude yeah i drove from wyoming to colorado today it's been a long week i need to get a haircut charles thoughts on kraken getting a banking license in wyoming blew my mind jesse um he's he's a great guy but he doesn't like regulators very much and it was incredible to see him uh be able to pull that off in such an incredibly short period of time all things considered but you know he's running one of the few banks in the world that is 100 reserve and it can go tell the fdic to pound sand so that's like the most jesse of banks you could ever get kraken's a great organization they have a lot of wonderful people there like austin and others and i'm just so glad to see them not only embrace wyoming but then actually move real value there and given that they now have a bank license uh that's that's a very powerful thing for them uh account with the federal reserve and all this other stuff so great for their customers great for the ecosystem and it's going to create a network effect where we see more legacy financial institutions work their way into our industry because they want the profits charles there's been a bit of criticism about the lack of marketing uh you got here late sebastian watch my comments i gave a specific answer to that question charles i'm very interested in your meeting with brock pierce yeah there's going to be a video about it actually i shot a video specifically for brock when i was in wyoming i know for brock very well i've known him for years since the bitcoin foundation he ran for the chairman role there years ago uh he's a good guy you know he's got a big heart and i like his campaign i'm so tired of the politics right now i'm just so tired you know amy barrett recently got nominated she's written over a hundred decisions as a judge and she's an extremely smart legal scholar she clerked for scalia regardless of what your politics said there's a lot about this woman that takes some serious time to go through and work through to get to a point where you can actually have a credible opinion about it and she has strong values and principles but those are then reflected in her personal life she has seven children five that are her own and two that she adopted so you'd suspect that well okay this person's nominated let's spend some time and actually try to get an understanding of what type of justice would she be as far as i can see i think she's a textualist scalia style okay but the attacks coming her way are like oh she adopted two kids from haiti and because they're black haitians she's a colonialist and racist and perhaps the adoption was illegal i mean seriously this is what's coming out of twitter how can we expect getting anyone reasonable people in government if this is how we treat people who come in you're told when you are growing up get an education be a good person get married do a good job follow the law and rise to the top of your profession so people do it and then when those people are chosen to go and serve in government now the game is every mistake that that person made regardless of it's big or bad or if it's even a mistake let's analyze that and brutally attack them and if we can't attack them attack their family and question choices that they made you know how many of you watched the horrible things that happened in haiti 10 years ago and said boy i should do something very few people actually did anything some people open their wall and donate a little money mostly to these corrupt charities and then somebody wakes up and adopts people and chooses to spend a decade of their life raising children that aren't their own who are in some of the worst positions in the world normally where i come from that's a good act but apparently this is an act of racism and colonialism and the people who propagate these theories are now chosen to go teach these things in our schools our universities and so forth uh this can't continue you're gonna get lower and lower and lower quality in government number one number two the way we communicate with each other is no longer about what problem are we trying to solve how are we trying to work together to solve a problem it's how does my side get power from this so let's say there's a fire normal human beings would look at a forest fire and say how do we put out the forest fire we now live in a political reality where we say okay who politically benefits from this forest fire should we put it out now or wait a week from now or two weeks from now you know this forest fire wyoming for example uh there was a group of ranchers and others in the state who saw federal land on fire so they went and said hey can we put it out and the federal government told them stand down they were told not to put out the fire we're going to go do that and then the ineptitude and incompetence of the federal government there they didn't do anything and now there's a huge fire in wyoming it's destroyed i think 80 000 acres or something like that it was literally red dawn this is insanity and then the response won't be okay how do we avoid this from ever happening again it's going to be how do we politically protect ourselves that's the world we live in now you know in everything is just so political and nothing makes sense people don't even understand what institutions are supposed to do like the judiciary for example why do you have people appointed for life because they're not political operators and they're not subject to political pressure so then why would you want to give those types of people legislative power because they alone would then be more powerful than any senator congressman or the president himself and there's no accountability whenever they decide left or right but apparently that's the judicial philosophy we have to have that's why we've gone from when i was born justice is approved with unanimous consent like scalia was 98-0 ginsburg i think was the same like 97-3 it was not controversial at all to now every single time we go down this road it's 50-50 and we have to destroy someone's entire life before they get on and then after they get on talk about how do we impeach them when we're in power and every single decision must be political in some way it's insanity it's absolute insanity so i'm done with it i'm so done with it i'm sick of the republicans i'm sick of the democrats i'm sick of the entire political reality and you know what they have been lying for so long and every single time people have tried to follow the rules to change things whether it be ron paul in his movement or bernie sanders and his movement the system prevented those people from doing anything you look no further to the 2012 republican convention how they just decided to arbitrarily change the rules of the convention to make sure that certain people weren't allowed to speak without any process doesn't even matter if there's rules they just don't follow them and let's look at how bernie was treated on that side so uh i'm done with it and you know at this point i'm never going to vote for a republican or a democrat again i'm always going to vote third party and i'm always going to support third party candidates and uh if you believe that that's throwing your vote away you're part of the problem uh and uh any person that says this person shouldn't serve because their personal life has a demerit i'm not gonna listen to that person anymore i'm done with it i really am the only way we can get forward is through solutions you say what problems are we trying to solve for example look at voltaire how did we structure that we said challenges what do we want to solve where do we want to go so you guys come and say well charles there's not enough marketing okay i'm gonna do what i can on my side to solve that problem but you know what there's now community funds available in every few months more and more and more and at the current rate of inflation six million dollars a month will fill up the treasury and if we go to a dollar it'd be 60 million dollars a month that's community money so and stop talking about how nothing is being done let's talk about the solution where should we market who should be marketed to who should do that marketing if you run a marketing firm this is a way to get a contract to go do that go make the case to the community and solve the problem we have to start thinking this way we have to start thinking for ourselves we have to start using common sense we have to start working together and actually having common goals we look to america or any of these other countries we should have goals okay vaccines are coming up it should be non-controversial to discuss how do we distribute them to all the citizens instead it's all political safe and effective people say i don't believe it's safe and effective well then tell me what the burden of proof is and if you don't know it tell me who does know it let's have a real conversation about that okay but it's not acceptable just to say no and just leave things the way that they are you have to say what are we trying to solve how are we going to get it done and if that is not the way to do it then tell me an alternative way and if you can't then let's go try it if you can live with it okay it's not about consensus it's about consent in that respect uh and so uh it was really a breath of fresh air talking to brock because he's tired too we're all tired he's running around spending millions of dollars running for president and if he accomplishes anything just getting people into a mindset that we have to talk differently and treat each other differently and he's never going to run a negative ad ever and we should never reward people for negative ads because what are you accomplishing when you say vote for me because the other person is so horrible that's like saying you go you get sick you go to your doctor and you need a heart surgery and there's like two doctors you could choose and so uh you know or or let's say even more you know like five doctors you can choose yeah okay and then you go one of those doctors and you say i i need a heart surgery and he says okay what you say to him can you tell me your qualifications and he immediately just says bob smith over there he was sued for malpractice three times like honestly this is where we're at in politics you watch this politician you say tell me what you want to accomplish like andrew yang he says ai and all these automation and these billionaires are eating us alive and we need ubi and here's why and here's what it's going to do for society great and people loved him for that he wasn't allowed to participate because the system was rigged but they at least loved him for that okay could you imagine how effective yang would have been had they say well why should i vote for you andrew uh biden has dementia like okay the [ __ ] does that have to do with all the price of tea in china i would say come on give me something real here what are you going to do what is your vision what problems are you going to solve and so forth and our political system is like this and now for the next month we're going to go through hell october is going to be horrible absolutely horrible going to have october surprise here october surprise here i wouldn't even be surprised if there was a donald trump don jr sex tape at this point i don't know i mean it's like so crazy what's going on right now and at the end of the day we're going to get to november 3rd and here's what's going to happen and this is what makes me so sad trump is going to declare victory and biden is going to declare victory the votes don't matter both of them have basically said the elections illegitimate okay so then it goes straight to the courts but the courts are illegitimate now because that process has been perverted every state there's going to be a lawsuit meanwhile protest galore every city in america tens of thousands of people burning things down shooting at each other and then the police crack down on them and then there'll be a counter reaction to that so we know we're walking into an event without legitimacy and blood 100 million americans who were eligible to vote did not vote in 2016. probably the same amount or more for this election we're not consenting to this you know we don't want this anymore but we're told we have to and if you have the audacity to vote for a third party you're part of the problem you're evil so it's going to stop one way or the other either we're going to run out of money and fall into martial law and have a chaotic civil war or somebody's going to get it through their head that we have to govern differently and i'm optimistic for the second part and i hope we can achieve that but there are many people who've already given up and they believe it's the first part that's my political rant for the day uh and you know these types of comments make me sad too says i take a bathroom break and grab a drink during the political rant portion of the ama you are not divorced from this whether you love me hate me want to listen to me or not listen to me you you have to be literally blind and deaf not to recognize what is going on right now we are right now in an era of change and whether you have freedom or not what power you personally have and what's taken from you or not is going to be decided in the next five or 10 years guys i have to wear a mask when i go outside people in hawaii are getting tickets for sitting alone on beaches during the night time this is not okay you know you say oh but it's just temporary tell me when governments take your freedoms when do they give them back i remember september 11th we created a department of homeland security they start molesting children and old people when they fly they say these are temporary measures things will go back to normal 20 years of war trillions of dollars spent millions of people killed generations of people fighting father fights in the war his children are fighting the war now did it ever stop or go back so you can believe it doesn't impact you or affect you whether you live in america or not if you don't live in america what america does has a huge impact on the rest of the world and the rest of the world is no better than here from boris johnson in the uk to what's going on in japan things are bad and you have to be politically aware you have to think about these things you have to have an opinion about what you want in your leadership what you want in your media what you want with the platforms that you use the fact checking alone is an invitation for censorship and who controls the fact checkers on all these social media platforms politifact oh okay this other organization oh okay so all i have to do then to own what's right and what's wrong what's true what's not true whether you get to post something or not is take over six organizations okay and and how big and how how powerful are these organizations not not really that large oh okay so if i just buy them one billionaire can own all of them and then suddenly they get to decide what's true what's not true there's contrary evidence sorry that's uh that's not factual and not only do we say that it's deplatformed so no one even sees it this is the world you're living in as much as me you can ignore it okay you would talk about cardano great so what are we using cardano for then what are we building cardano for then what's the point of all of this is it a magic gold rube goldberg machine to get you rich and then you get that money is it going to be worth anything and what happens when you have the money and the government shows up and says yeah we don't like you and they take it from you what court do you go to oh that's right you have no rights you can't just say i like one part but then the other part is a distraction it's irrelevant or it's unnecessary this is why i keep ranting about this stuff and keep talking about this stuff you cannot separate the politics from the crypto this entire movement has always been about the reinvention of society as a whole one thing not uh the parts of society you like but then the other parts who cares when you get to the craziness of saying we're going to create our own money you are also going to create your own voting systems your own notion of the corporation your own notion of property rights your own notion of data privacy your own notion of identity your own notion of interaction then you start talking about why don't i have freedom of association commerce and exchange and expression why don't i have these things well i just go build those tools too and then what happens after you're vested your entire livelihood is connected to this and then the government says nah we're not gonna let you do that imagine being a youtuber and you make a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year and then you wake up you don't know why your youtube channel is shut down how do you feed your kids how do you pay your mortgage who do you talk to you pick up the phone you send them an email okay oh your google account's been shut down too what do you do you sue them with what money we can't even get scammer accounts taken down and youtube is being sued by the co-founder of apple and by billionaires what chance does that guy with 150 000 stand and those platforms now control the majority of discourse in the entire world your entire career has just been turned off congratulations go find another job okay what about all your fans well they can't speak out against it they mention it their accounts get shut off or their posts get censored can they do this is not political we should have rights about this right oh but what happens when the corporations have more money than you well they can just tell the government what to do oh okay so no matter how you vote the people who get into office both sides will basically protect that corporation and make sure that no regulation comes their way to make what they just did to you go away so build an alternative platform ah but when you build the alternative platform what's the first thing they try to do make it illegal look at cryptocurrencies in new york city we're starting to get progress wall street loves it people are very excited about it the people who own wall street say ah it's a competitor and they call it ben losky and then we get bit licensed the entire industry dies absolutely dies you have to go to a place that digs coal out of the ground and raises cattle and people visit yellowstone to actually get laws that new york city should have had it's insanity it's absolute insanity so don't tell me that politics is not important if you're ignoring that side of it you're ignoring the entire point of everything that we're doing and the reason why we do what we do and uh if you think differently okay but you're gonna get more of the same and then we're to wake up some days and all of these platforms will be controlled and co-opted just like youtube and it's going to get worse if you say the wrong things you do the wrong things your money's turned off your driver's license is turned off you can't turn on your car that's the world you're gonna go into eric miller uh what did he say i'm leaving medicine because of the level of corruption tyranny coming from the industry you know my family's been in medicine since the 1950s and it's changed a lot it's it's been it used to be they had direct relationship with the patients there weren't really big insurance companies there was no medicare medicaid and now it's just a humongous bureaucracy and you're basically told as a physician what you're allowed to do what you're not allowed to do with respect to treating your patients so if you think after you've read all the literature you've looked at the totality of all things that a particular drug or treatment is good for your patient if this falls outside of orthodoxy there's a very good possibility that somebody will stop you or your license will be taken from you there's no greater example of that than what's happened with the hydroxychloroquine thought out of things why is this a newspaper conversation why is this a political conversation it's a doctor conversation if you have a prescription drug system you trust your doctors to basically understand what drugs to give the patient they have to go to medical school they have to go to residency they have to get board certified they have to maintain good standing in the medical community so we know they're good research consumers we know they have substantial clinical experience so if i get sick and i go to my doctor i trust them to be able to look at everything in the world and tell me what's good for me so then why is it that the news is telling us what drugs we're allowed to take and not it's insanity to me absolute insanity to me and i can understand why people are leaving medicine either from the the tort problems we have we have terrible lawsuit issues here and malpractice insurance is so expensive the fact you're no longer autonomous as a physician and yeah it's like what's the point of the profession um and they say oh but if you're hurting the patient well yeah then you intervene that's why we have state boards that give you your medical licenses why there's a complaint system it's why you have fellow colleagues who call you into question you have hospital rights which require certain standards you don't you're not an island you live in an ecosystem and the whole medical system is just screwy in the united states it just shows you politics is getting into every single domain and aspect of our lives and it's so exhausting and tiring the places where it should be are when we talk about where do we want to go and how should the future be it shouldn't be in our sports and our medicine and the things that we do to keep ourselves healthy and safe and entertained how staking looking for ada things going well yeah mistaken has been happening every day 1200 registered stake pool half the entire network is delegated i i think we're like a third or more of the blocks are being made by state pool operators every five days never keeps getting more decentralized um looking through with this software push lifestyle diet and exercise let's make the whole world blue zone charles yeah yeah blue zones are zones that um people live a very long time and there's several of them there's a place in the mediterranean where they call it like the island of immortals and all the people there live into their hundreds in okinawa is another place that is uh historically very very healthy and you know there's a lot of lifestyle things that you can do to live well if anything just not being fat and exercising every day those two things alone probably massively improve your quality of life and especially at the tail end of it and it's easier said than done i used to be in great shape myself and now i weigh about 230 pounds and i said oh this pandemic god never been a better opportunity since i'm at home to lose weight i was 215 i gained 15 pounds uh it's really easy to gain the weight it's a lot harder to take it off but i have good people and the big issue is no matter how good your diet is or what you do stress has a big influence on it and you have to get the metabolism right and food in america isn't not so good i'll agree with that statement the food in america is poisonous i uh i do have a garden though and i tell you some of the food i eat there is amazing like i have my own squash and my own tomatoes and these things and you get to cook them on up well i wish kb hiring cpas in the coming years we have a cfo charles asking you lost weight though yeah i can lose weight it's not the price keeping off watch out for gout i already have it it runs in the family my dad's got it i got it the garden looks amazing yeah it's a beautiful garden a lot of raised beds and i'm going to build some greenhouses as well so i can have a 24 7 garden gonna get an rtx 3090 now for your rig no i bought this 2080 rtx literally just a few weeks before the 3080 rtx was announced i figured the performance would be like 20 better i said who cares they're getting that damn 2x you bastards nvidia screwed me man it screwed me but remember there's the guy who who buys the iphone the day before the announcement of the new one so it is what it is drink clean water lots of it i do i do i actually am see if i have my water bottle i don't i've been drinking three liters a day ugh go vegan haha no celery seeds for inflammation huh you know we actually have a lot of doctors and nutritionists in the cardano community and they always send me advice from time to time about healthy living and lifestyle and most of the advice is actually somewhat overlapping which is encouraging i think people are becoming more aware are you happy with gogan's progress yeah actually i am there's an enormous amount of progress that's happening and remember we're releasing like crazy so it's not about commits it's about releases and every week there's something coming out whether graphql or db sync or smash or node or deadlifts or a plutus related object and so we're in this delivery culture now and i'm very happy with that so things are moving in the right direction and you know for developer acquisition i think we have a really good concept there what's something useful to learn right now uh problem solving in general is really good thing to think about you know i i'm a bit biased because i come from the mathematical community and that's like the entire point of the that's the entire point of the industry right learn how to solve problems but um people have turned this into its own field of study and they're pulling into the business schools and they're pulling it all across academic disciplines there's even great courses on coursera specifically dedicated to problem solving and that's just basically teaching how to think where you wake up and you say okay first off when someone comes to you with a problem it's not about the problem that they've given you because oftentimes they're giving you surface level problems and not the root cause and what they're asking for is not what they want so it's the first thing that you learn in consulting or when you do solutions architecture for people is get to the root cause and actually try to get an understanding of what are they trying to solve what are they what are they trying to do um if you don't do that almost always you fail because you can literally do 100 of what they ask you to do you get to the end of the rainbow and it doesn't work because you've only solved the symptom not the underlying root cause like for example if somebody comes to you with bad breath let's say you're a doctor or dentist or something like that you say oh okay here's some mouthwash okay and maybe it masks it and the breast keeps getting worse and let's say they forget the mouthwash the breast is terrible so they use gum and all this other stuff well maybe they have gingivitis maybe they have acid reflux maybe they have something else that's causing the bad breath so you can give them gum you can give them mouthwash but if you don't solve the root cause you never solve the underlying problem for the patient well similarly when you look at business problems when you look at technological problems scientific problems it's not make it faster make it cheaper make me more money usually there's a systemic issue that is inhibiting their ability to do something or compete or whatever to have you if you had to learn any skill right here right now just learn how to think this way about how do we get to cause on a problem how do we identify what the client is actually asking for what i actually want to do um and then go from there to okay how do we think about what do we need to learn to be able to not only propose a solution but validate that the solution is done for example with the metadata feature with cardano the scientists got together and they wrote this beautiful spec metadata and i said hey what's our feature pairing with the metadata so we have metadata but who's the consumer of that feature beef chain we have the georgia deal etc etc okay so these are the people using it the feature is not done until they're connected people say it's done and it's implemented and the people who consume it say that it solves their problem okay so you always have to have feature pairing it's a small thing but you know it's a necessary thing for you to get where you need to go same for the bittrex issue we have a great team of engineers they're working their asses off and they're building all this stuff and they're seeing real beautiful improvements with the wallet back end that are universally beneficial for everybody but bittrex is the consumer here so they receive it and they tell us it's good enough or not good enough and if it's not good enough to give us the logs a lot of other things and then we iterate again it's frustrating it takes time but it makes you better and ultimately makes everything better so there you go [Music] charles is working 100 hours a week sustainable no and you should not it's an indication of a failed system uh or poor planning and so that's a management problem the most incredible people i have ever met who on the product and project management side were able to manage mammoth large-scale projects 000 people 10 000 people 60 agencies or whatever and they go home at four o'clock every day and they work like 35 hours 40 hours it's not the amount of hours you work it's sustainable hours and also if you're having to consistently work more than you expected it's a failure in planning and system or you're simply trying to do too much too quickly schools have been increasingly teaching people what to think instead of how to think it's been going on for a long time any advice for the intro learning to haskell a book or site i'd recommend the haskell book i think it's haskellbook.com it's a tome but it's a very good tone it's a good one to read charles can you recommend a couple of companies one can go to for app development uh vacuum labs is great atix atix is another one that's great both of them highly recommend cossack labs is quite good too and you know at some point i think the foundation is going to have a uh going to have you know some form of um cardonal certified solutions provider you know something like that so then you can look at a list and pick which one fits best for you chill with the politics go home tal you're drunk see here true random number generator for devs and gogen well we have the vrf it would be nice to expose that functionality and then you can actually have the stig pools act as cryptographic uh how's beacons massey ferguson working out 80 horsepower of amazingness absolutely amazingness although when i was in wyoming all those ranchers up there were picking on me they're like this is john deere country sir and i was like come on nasty's good and apparently my tractor is too small for them they have big tractors are the gnomes and fairies still chilling i brought them inside and i got more winter ready and gnomes but i am going to paint the gnomes with glow-in-the-dark paint your faucet is dripping no that is not a faucet sir that is an aerogarden and that aerogarden is right now growing nine beautiful flowers so in about two weeks i'll be able to look over and see these beautiful blooming flowers there'll be snow on the ground outside and i'll still have green in life around me have you ever visited singapore many times how's atala coming along in ethiopia quite well and also we have cardano in ethiopia can't read that one don't speak spanish any updates on the african farmer voucher program yeah i'm going to get an update this week uh about where we sit there we lost the primary contract to another company that's based in ethiopia and they underbid us by our obscene amount there's just no way they can service the contract in my view at that price level and i think what's going to end up happening is they're going to subcontract some things out and they did reach out to us and asked to be a subcontractor uh but um i had not gotten an update because right when that all that was happening the internet and ethiopia got shut down because of a sectarian issue and things are finally back a bit but things are still a little tough so it slowed everything down in africa unfortunately but that's okay there are three other projects we're bidding on as well and some of them have over a million users so it's a game of numbers and you just keep clicking on it oh this one's fun go hack someone else's channel create your own channel your own audience is famous yeah rodriguez will hit you with a lawsuit so you rot in jail [ __ ] sue me go ahead and i'm gonna have so much fun countersuing you guys why because a hacker hacked your channel put videos of me on that channel to steal money from people if you're so stupid you can't understand that i don't benefit from that in fact i'm the victim in that i would love to be sued and i would love to show up for court and explain it to you guys in person in a very very specific way and sue you for wasting my time and you'll have to pay for my legal fees and you'll have to pay your own lawyers go to hell you people go to hell you know my entire channels for weeks and weeks and weeks have been plagued by this absolutely plagued by this and people are so stupid they can't understand what's going on they can't do google searches they can't see that i put banners saying i will never give away ada they can't see for five minutes that this is a scam and it benefits me in no way in fact we're the victims of it as is ethereum as is ripple as is all the people in the bitcoin space they even use elon musk there were hackers who hacked into bill gates's and obama's in biden's twitter feeds to steal bitcoin for people in a giveaway scam what bill gates is stealing bitcoin from people get a [ __ ] brain you loser you know and they downvote the videos they plague the comment section with this and this is another example of what happens when these things happen you know and it's extraordinary guys i've gotten death threats there was a serbian channel that was taken over about a month and a half ago and these kids reached out to me uh over email basically saying they were gonna come kill me and giving me a description of what serbian criminal group that they belong to and it just happens and happens and happens and happens and happens and again what can we do i can sue youtube like steve wozniak is i can sue youtube like ripple is and yeah we'll spend two years in court and they won't apologize maybe we win a little bit of money will they change their behavior no and these things will continue meanwhile these idiots and these channels blame me they have no idea what's going on think for yourself ugh charles you should see about using the dmca about striking every one of those scams that use your is the digital millennium copyright act you see here's the problem i can get them taken down we in the community does they file a complaint we file a complaint if we see it and then within 24 to 72 hours usually it gets taken down what happens is that the people doing this write scripts to create fake accounts fake bots and so even if you take one down you're taking down a robot and there's another robot waiting to take that robot's place and it happens over and over and over again so the only way you can beat a robot is with another robot and the only person who has that robot to beat that robot is youtube itself they have built very sophisticated uh protocols to identify bad content child pornography animal abuse political speech they don't like and automatically can flag those videos and take them down so those very same algorithms if they were applied to a learning set of all the scams that have happened would easily be able to identify the scams and take down the videos automatically with a few false positives here and there they just won't do it so we can do it as a community and we can say ah well you know this video over here is bad and we can report that video and every single day i get two or three emails from well-intended members of the community and say charles you should do something about this video and i could spend eight hours a day of my time doing nothing but clicking report report report report it's so [ __ ] up that on twitter when people create fake accounts of me when i report it and say this is impersonating me twitter expects me to upload for each of those reports a copy of my passport to prove my own identity and they're allowed to have an account asserting that they're me you can't win and if it gets taken down another one's created that's how this works and i get death threats and you know all these other things and people plague my channel if you go to any of my videos the last six weeks you will see usually not in english but in some other language tons of people showing up saying why did you hack this person's channel why did you hack this person you go to hell you're a bastard you're horrible you're a hacker and these types of things and i'm just so tired of it charles do you still have in mind doing an update for the security lecture you did a while back thanks for the work from the bronx well i love the bronx it's a fun place a little while i lived in um in queens and jamaica queens had to take the e-line into the city and that was a really unique experience it was right next to van wyck station uh bronx it's a special place and there's some damn good restaurants there i hope they survived the chronovirus um as for the update to the security lecture video uh the security lecture video was an unexpected success i expected maybe five people would watch it i just wanted to have something out there and say well this is how you should think about security and i got so much great feedback on it from my own company infosec experts who emailed me was helpful suggestions and i even bought like a nitra key because people said you should maybe have an open source alternative so it was a really um it was really fun thing to do uh i will do an update on it uh but i'm actually taking a look at some content on udemy specifically revolving around information security offensive uh infosec so hacking into things and uh after i finish those courses i'm going to redo the security lecture it remains to be seen whether i do it as a multi-part series where i do maybe 10 to 15 minute clips and to create a playlist or if i do it as another giant two hour video shot that entire video without a script by the way i just did it from memory how's beefchain coming along pretty well pretty well we'll talk less about it because we talk so much about it and we'll showcase other partners and every single product summit update that we do we're going to showcase a partner we're going to showcase somebody building on cardinal and hopefully have a whole area for that [Music] did you guys use oh actually i can put these questions on the screen that's cool i like stream yard i said did you guys use the already existing formal verification tools or built your own at cardano we used existing tools uh we were pretty low tech for cardano itself we used latex we wrote a reference haskell but we've used everything from [ __ ] to idris to agda to isabelle for various different things throughout the time in cardona hide okay uh from gohart go do you think we will have a deep recession in the near future and that's a really good one yes i think we're going to have not only a recession but it looks like we actually could go into a global depression because of what happened as a response to coronavirus i expect the unemployment rate to be 10 to 15 percent within the united states in the developing world many countries double-digit 20 30 percent uh and it's going to take five to ten years for the global economy to recover that's my prediction general zod kneel before zod what excites you most about 2021 that's a good one too uh i'm excited that i get to travel again and the world's going to be back in business uh that's one thing the other thing is that cardano will start being an end-to-end system as opposed to an aspirational system so we saw a lot of this this year with shelley and we'll see it at the tail end of the year with gogan launches and obviously we're seeing the birth of voltaire but as we get deeper into 2021 we'll have hundreds of gaps and tokens and monthly votes and tens of thousands of people doing various things across the world very diverse and better funding structure and just so many cool things in the cardinal ecosystem to sustain it and grow it and we'll no longer be talking about these things like when coinbase or when this uh rather we'll actually be having deep conversations about one app versus another app uh one approach versus another approach and then also all these africa contracts in eastern europe contracts and so forth will start returning beyond pilots and turn into full utilities that actually are economically sustainable and so millions of users are flooding in year by year and all these deals are being serviced so i'm most excited about that it's going to be a very different year than 2020 is in so many different ways and also just to travel again it's going to be fun i miss traveling what do you think about tesla's spacex project tesla spacex separate companies spacex is a great company um it's independent of tesla but they're interconnected with each other in that tesla technology works its way at the spacex and vice versa because they're sister companies in that respect and i think it's some of the most meaningful work that we've ever seen in the world it's very exciting this is an example of when you say when marketing a question we have to answer what should i know as a developer to build on cardano so that's a question we're going to answer i'm not going to do it here i've answered this question four or five times in prior ima amas and interviews but um these are the things when you you really think around marketing you say like how do we actually answer this because he's asking something but then there's a lot that is in this question like as a developer to build on cardano so what do we mean by developer and what do we mean by build on cardano okay and so you really have to drill into that you have to create personas there's a world of difference between the 16 year old kit that just learned about javascript and wrote his first website to the 45 year old who's writing control software for a plain autopilot okay huge huge error between these two people but they're both developers and we see build on cardano are you saying okay i'm gonna issue a token charles coin and you know trade it and it'll just be a fun little qt project or am i connecting my ticket management system for ticketmaster to cardano huge differences between these two things but good marketing should be able to dissect that and create a journey so that people in different personas can actually go through and get reasonable answers to these types of things and then you will happen is that you'll have all these people say well what about this like for example whenever you choose a by definition you aren't choosing b so when you say we're going to go functional that means you're not imperative okay or you're going to have a harder time with that so if somebody doesn't buy that functional is the approach they're just going to ignore that you're even doing that and they'll go and say well why don't you have like javascript why don't you have like python python is my favorite language well you should have python support okay so you have to be very careful about how you answer these things you have to discuss trade-offs market dynamics to really well define your developer you have to set up an asset strategy and then he says what should you know well okay you know we could try and say learn some haskell learn some functional programming techniques but 95 percent of your application may be non-plutus it may be running off chain on a server in which case maybe being a node guy is a lot more sensical and you're going to outsource all of the cardano development to a third party because you don't want to actually handle that small small small shim of a smart contract that's running on the system on the other hand you might have a very heavy decentralized application and you're running the whole thing on cardano which gets your hardcore pluto's programmer see so different skill sets so this is a cool question the answer when we say when marketing this is what we mean by answering questions like this in ways that are meaningful and useful um this is a cool one charles thoughts on the file coin project led by one bennett which is launching very soon juan's done ipfs and many other things excited about these types of things uh decentralized infrastructure is universally ubiquitous and useful and everything he's done is open source so if we find some good ideas in it we will definitely use those ideas and it is so cool that we live in an ecosystem that does that for us how did you meet ben gortzel uh ben and i met through uh mahela who's a friend of mine uh she's a a scientist and she specializes in uh complex complex theory and systems and these things and she's written all these um amazing papers on uh on the topic and she's friends with ben and she's friends with lots of other people uh and uh she said hey would you like to meet him i said sure and i turned out he was already a really big fan of cardano so we talked to ben a few times over google hangouts and i said ben you know i'm going to wyoming you want to come with he said sure so he flew from seattle over to wyoming it was quite fortuitous that he was still in the united states so he could actually come and we hit it off the guy got his phd in math at 21 super bright guy super super bright guy very deep in many different things and we talked about everything from curry howard correspondences to automated theorem provers to the nature of consciousness and you know and things like agi obviously that's his domain uh and it was just really fun i talked to him for over six hours of various technical concepts and then we did a 90-minute interview i interviewed him and we talked a lot about his project singularitynet and opencog and uh cardano and we'll release that probably this upcoming week um but this is an example of the kinds of people that you want around for your launch applications and your platform uh because they know who they are and they're not adopting crypto cuz crypto there's a very specific thing it's solving for them but they're their own people they have their own dreams like ben he really really wants to create an artificial general intelligence uh and he thinks he knows how to do it with open cog and there's some good evidence behind that so he's just going to go do that and he has all these beautiful projects like singularitynet and so forth which assist him in that path to achieve that but at the end of the day whether we exist or not he's going to keep doing that so our job is to get out of the way and help him get these types of things done a little bit better for the things he wants to solve and as long as you have partnerships like that then you have a real platform it's something that's there to stay what role will david likes crypto have in iohk he is going to make videos so uh he's going to help us with that product marketing and what david does really well is he makes concise easy to understand beautiful content so what we're doing is we're just going to go ahead and give him uh all the resources he needs to do more of what he's already doing and better and we're going to have him be a pivotal component of the product marketing strategy so those explainer videos on our boris and explainer videos on extended utxo david's going to go do that alongside others and we're going to get them out there and they're going to be amazing and then we're going to get not just content like he already has but more content and more diverse content and more frequent content because there's now resources behind what he does my philosophy is find the best people and just get out of their way and give them what they need to go and do amazing things uh yes do you think gaming in cardona will be viable as soon as gogan ships so that's a very interesting question and it absolutely depends on what you mean by uh gaming uh jean franco diaz uh so if you mean by gaming gambling i mean that's always possible if you mean by gaming like video games and integrating video games into cardano like cryptokitties i think both of them have their merits and value to the ecosystem and actually what gets me most excited is the latter i would love to see super creative video games on cardano as many of you know i actually have my own game studio um we haven't created anything yet but i've been buying ip and one of these days i'll turn it on and every game we build will have a blockchain component to it and every game i build i'll deploy that blockchain component on cardona so uh there's already things like next generation digital rights management um having unique items in the game that are connected to tokens uh so you can do that preserving your save state on a blockchain there's there's a lot of things to think about there and actually ben and i ben gortzel we actually talked about this a lot and uh my cto ramon uh he got a phd in computer science but his dissertation was in gaming our cto actually came up with pokemon go ten years before pokemon go existed uh so uh so we have a lot of people that are closet gamers or love game mechanics and these types of things and i see enormous value to it and it's actually not hard with what we've constructed to put some of those game components on cardano as soon as gogan ships and then over time things could be scaled up it would be super cool to have a partnership with some open source gaming frameworks um you know like babylon js or these types of things uh or perhaps even commercial frameworks like unity for example and actually have a cryptocurrency back end for it so if a game developer wants to do that that's something that can be pushed through and these are partnerships we're going to try to pursue in 2021 and our commercial team is chomping at the bit for these types of plays um [Music] mm-hmm do you think shelly is the hardest development phrase for cardano yeah shelley was absolutely brutal in so many ways and we will never have to go through that again i'd like to be on lexus podcast too uh as i say rogan after gogan lex after gogan 2. lot to talk about there but he's a great guy went to direct soul got a phd and i think artificial intelligence or some electrical engineering way of doing it his dad's a prominent physicist and uh he's now at mit and he's just a really bright dude and he has a great interviews he goes with people i really enjoyed the one with sheldon solomon and i started developing an affinity for ernest becker as a result of that vitalik was on lex's show i know vitalik's everywhere everybody loves that kid he's special how's john o'connor i'm not by the way guys just purposely picking connor's questions but they are good questions uh john's doing quite well all right pharah i'm gonna give you one shot ask me a question whatever it is i'll answer your question this is a fun one cardona was a paycheck for your company why the loyalty because my company's a mission oriented company and we need infrastructure to realize that mission our mission is to build uh the foundations so that people can get economic identity the people who don't have it so i need a platform to do that we created cardano for that reason and now it's starting to be realized you see prism with identity you see the supply chain stuff we're doing you see the voting things we're doing with voltaire you notice that these multi assets can be just as well securities as they don't have to be when we have the d5 and suddenly you have banking services and insurance and exchanges and these types of things so the point is that as long as this platform is fertile we can wake up and have a billion users and it maintains the principles and integrity that we'd like a system like that to have so i'm not loyal to platforms i'm loyal to concepts and ideas and missions and cardano was built hand in glove to achieve that end that's why we're here what does duncan do for fun he's actually an actor part-time and he's played a certain cardinal in a certain play smart guy everybody's really special i want you to answer glenn's questions wait which one's glenn which question did i miss can you repost glenn's question i don't want to go scroll through the whole thing which particular question why haskell and not o'camel uh because we were more on the british side than the french side both of them would have been a suitable choice uh and they're both great ecosystems i just happen to prefer haskell a little bit more a big fan of lazy evaluation and these things and also the people who created haskell happen to work for me like phil wadler for example so we're a little stronger in that ecosystem if i spoke french and i went to school in paris almost certainly we would have written it no camel glen ortiz charles given the increase in u.s national debt and the potential for the future weaker economy can we make sure that non-algorithmic stable coin on cardano is based on a basket of currencies so that's called a meta-stable token and we are looking at that there are projects like saga for example that have studied that as well my preference would be to create a meta-stable token where you take stable coins that are based on fiat currencies build a basket of them and then create an asset that's synthetic to that so you don't have the custodial risk or otherwise we're in a situation where we're back we actually have to take us dollars or euros or yen and put them in a bank account and hold them like the tethered people do and that's just not a game i like playing but if the blockchain is the custodian for an existing stable coin that's relatively stable then it's just a matter of properly constructing the ballot for the metastable token what gets really exciting is when you can remove the bank entirely and that's the cbdc concept and so we've been examining that as well and i i really like the idea of tethering cbdc with ubi so in several countries we are pitching the concept that let us go build a stable coin rebuild your central bank infrastructure make it intrinsically digital and create you a nice ramp for offline transactions and then every time a transaction fee occurs in the system because you are the payment rails it goes into a treasury and that treasury is universal basic income for your people so it's a real cool thing to sell for smaller economies and it could be quite competitive to tether and these other things so we are looking into these things and we've made some bids that was version one and the us government got very upset about that and i think version two if it survives will just be backed by the us dollar and i think this is another example of a person who thinks i stole the channel going back to that rant the this question should be better asked to vitalik has any of charles's vision worked its way into ethereum at some point he'll have to throw on the towel and say yes no none of his vision worked or his its way into our system it's quite the opposite cardano is a different game entirely it's your system soon to be bitcoin through taproot and what they've done they're gradually extending their accounting model and capabilities that's a pretty big one charles do you know jed yes and david missouris and the rest of the gang no problems with stellar these guys we get along you expand on how the ubi system would work so ubi works really well when you have sovereign wealth funds because it's a dividend distribution to the people of the country and it's almost like a shareholder model so norway could do this very comfortably this gargantuan sovereign wealth fund as almost two trillion dollars the norwegians have more money than saudi arabia many people don't know that so it's very possible that norway could wake up and say hey you know what we're just going to start paying dividends quarterly out of the sovereign wealth fund to our people um this is not redistribution this was good fiscal policy so the government got rich doing something very smart and now they're sharing the wealth that they've accumulated with their people so a sovereign wealth fund with a cbdc is an example of that good fiscal policy creates a product that's competitive on a global market and effectively the use of this outside of the country produces almost almost like direct foreign investment but it's pure profit and that profit goes into a sovereign wealth fund and then every single person in the country who's a citizen of that country would get dividends from that sovereign wealth fund as a condition of citizenship so it encourages the citizens to say our government should not run deficits but rather be running surpluses because we get paid if it runs a surplus it makes good fiscal policy so there you go um so that's what i think and that'll be fun maybe somebody will take me up on it who knows do we have more of this yeah we do charles how is legends of valor coming along terrible um i haven't had time to work on it at all in the last few weeks i've been incredibly busy with cardano and other things as i said before legends of valor is in the bottom of the stack and so um if anything on cardano or other projects comes up it any free time i have for love goes away so that's the way it is but that's the way it should be because there are no customers for legends of valor there haven't been since 1992 where there are many people who care a lot about cardano and so cardano takes priority have you ever read now some talibs books yes anti-fragile and the other one is black swan which he's famous for he's an interesting author you hyped about dune yes danny villeneuve is my favorite director and dunes one of my favorite sci-fi's so that's like the peanut butter in your jelly man i am very excited about it um this is a good one any updates on the cardona wikipedia page i'll let you know no you know here's how [ __ ] up it is i own a video game legends of valor i bought the ip for it last year actually this year i was negotiating for a year and a half for that and it has a wikipedia page i don't know how legends of valor has a wikipedia page but it does no one has meaningfully played this game since 1992 okay 27 years ago or something like that 20 28 years ago um and when i bought it people updated the wikipedia page to announce that i i acquired it that is notable but cardano a three billion dollar ecosystem with some of the top computer scientists in the world with almost 100 academic papers a million lines of code we have been mentioned by the us house of representatives by the european union parliament heads of state hundreds of articles throughout the years wall street journal all this stuff uh obviously were not novel the editors of wikipedia say that we are not novel enough to deserve an article but legends of valor a game i own is that no one has played in 28 years and the citations there are credible citations but bloomberg is not a credible citation for cardana you tell me how that's not biased and who's responsible for this one man david gerard he's an editor for wikipedia who wrote a book about how all blockchains are scams and has gone on record repeatedly saying blockchains are all scams and he gets to decide whether we're noteworthy and credible to get an article or not that's where we're at this is wikipedia it's uh i've never experienced something so blatantly um kafka-esque and disgusting yet people seem to think it's a credible resource it is not and every day this goes on it diminishes their credibility and the larger we get the more comical it gets and at some point you know people are just going to build a replacement for it i'll probably be the first to do it and jimmy has no one to blame but himself um he's showing our edge bud wait wait i missed that showing my age uh how's the massey ferguson i already answered that come on guys give me some good questions here space vikings ha that was blizzard entertainment actually i think it was um the first game that they made when they were like synaptic ideas or something was before they were called blizzard entertainment that is that's a blast from the past i remember space vikings i'm surprised that anybody hears that uh that old yeah it was a great game silicon and synapse that was it that was it the lost vikings and actually they put in um star craft ii wings of liberty an arcade game for the lost vikings uh exactly thank you i encourage you guys to go google in fact if you look at the search trends the first time in over 20 years people have actually started searching that game um but yes there's a wikipedia page it blows your mind right going on two hours bub yeah i got no life do this for you guys i have actually downloaded this book three body problem i'm looking forward to it i have not read it yet i haven't had the time so trevor do you have a specific question for me you have to remember that they just come in and whatever is there is there or also i have to search for the whole thing and stop for 20 or 30 seconds if i had a moderator then they would just pre-ask questions but trevor please do ask a question could neil stephenson be satoshi i don't know sure would that make your life better if he was any thoughts on multi-party computations specifically how close are we to seeing widespread support for our threshold signatures you need a lot of good underlying crypto to do that that's why the propagation of things like schnorr cigs bls this stuff is uh is good uh there's tons of npc protocols that are meaningful and useful and it's just uh you know you adopt them on a case-by-case basis thoughts on potential life on venus and its implications to the fermi paradox that's a fun one so venus is a really cool planet actually at one time it probably looked a lot like earth it's relatively the same size and it's just too close to the sun and so it's become the closest thing humanity has ever discovered to hell it's like 900 degrees on the surface they have giant clouds of acid it's not really a good place however recently certain chemicals have been discovered on venus that are very difficult to explain outside of a biological metabolism and so there's some speculation that life could potentially exist on venus so perhaps billions of years ago human-like life or some form of civilization could have materialized in venus because at that time period conditions would have perhaps been more like earth but now that's no longer the case so anyway it's cool to talk about and think about and probes were always flying around studying these things and the russians were the most interested in venus they even did several uh missions to venus and there was a lot of hypotheses about perhaps people could live in the atmosphere of venus they can't live on the surface but live in the atmosphere i hope that these recent chemicals that have been discovered would be a good impulse input into a decision process to send more probes to venus now as for the implications of fermi paradox for those of you who don't know it's this kind of idea that we should see lots of life in the universe and the fact that we don't is an indication that there's some event that will occur that's relatively universal throughout all life and uh when uh they get to that event it tends to extinct the entire species uh so for example maybe the event of nuclear weapons or the event of a.i or whatever and that's why we don't see more life so i don't think life on venus has any uh impact or the discovery of chemicals on venus that could be markers for biological life would have an implication of fermi paradox necessarily it's possible if your system is built in the right way that you don't have the evolutionary pressures that would ever form uh multicellular creatures so you can get to the single cellular state but you can't get the complex life forms and that that jump that evolutionary jump there's no pressure to achieve that you know it's definitely possible there's no guarantee of one-way evolution and more complex forms can get extinct at any time yes they matter enough to distribute millions of dollars if you're talking about cardano votes if you talk about political votes no your vote doesn't matter in the shop been that way for three weeks nope serious answer you got beef with f2 no not at all hello from canada charles well hello from the united states chris [Music] yeah that's what i assumed they don't matter i do not change my oil for the lamborghini never do that that is a very refined delicate piece of machinery and lots of things can go wrong lol can we all agree that charles needs to get some sleep i'm feeling fine i feel great my lungs are filled with smoke though that's the only problem woke up this morning all this black [ __ ] from all of the ash in the air from uh the wyoming fires it's just sad and here in colorado we've had fires and i went to tahoe and there was fires in california it's just nasty artwork over your right shoulder painting one painting two and painting three uh hawaii yeah that was uh by the year 2035. isn't it great when the government tells us how the market's going to work what you are and are not allowed to do java um i just haven't cut the hair that's the problem yes actually i have a great air filter an iq air filter it's a hepa filter medical grade they put them in hospitals it even has a carbon filter as well for volatile chemicals right next to the bed really helps the problem is i was in wyoming in a holiday inn express and unfortunately i couldn't bring that giant air filter with me why java or c sharp i'm actually going to be making this decision when i go to code camp i would do neither i would do javascript or python do not do java or c sharp if you can avoid it you have to pick java is a bigger ecosystem and there are all these beautiful languages like julia and scala and so forth which are incredibly good and really nice to use and they are in the java ecosystem so i would far more be in the java ecosystem c sharp is a better language and net and clr much better framework the only reason why it's not larger is that microsoft didn't open source it for a large part of its life had they done that java would have died it'd be gone and been absorbed into the clr but i'd recommend java if you have to pick but i'd say neither the javascript is significantly better to start with it's just a better ecosystem charles why did you say learn typescript right after learning javascript because typescript is basically uh like better javascript it's javascript with types and it basically allows you to write far more maintainable and structured programs than just native javascript programs some of the recent flavors of javascript especially ecmascript 6 and beyond reduced the need for typescript for maintainability but there's still a lot of cool things in the typescript ecosystem that are are quite useful and typescript was not an academic language it was created by microsoft because they had this problem that they were reporting all of their office infrastructure and other things into the web and they needed to have a javascript framework to work with it and javascript just wasn't getting the job done google tried to do this with first taking java and compiling it to javascript and then when that failed they moved over to a new language they called dart and microsoft created a competing language called typescript the difference between dart and typescript is that dart is an entirely new language and it compiles to javascript whereas typescript is a superset of javascript so it looks syntactically very similar so if you're our javascript developer it's much easier to just go to typescript and you get guaranteed compatibility there in dart it's a different language entirely i actually like dart i think it's phenomenal and just didn't get any traction or adoption and there's a lot of phases in these transpiled languages in the javascript world there was coffee script uh and that was really popular for a long time and i thought there was a lot of cool things in coffeescript it was like ruby had sex it was javascript at one night standing in a dark hotel room and you know you know nine months later you have coffee script and yeah you know it's a frankenstein child we're just gonna have to make it work uh and then you had more academic projects that came in like saying hey let's start with a proper programming language like java and then get it into javascript but it's a it's much better i think just to go with javascript move into typescript and those two things will get you where you need to go and then there's all these frameworks like react and angular and so forth you have to learn a testing framework too like selenium you know so there's lots of things to learn there book recommendation of the month i actually have a book to recommend and the name escapes me so i will tweet it at the back end of this because i just got the book it's on synesthesia i like go now you're not alone a lot of people like go i've never been a fan myself but a lot of people like it ps5 or xbox xbox this was actually done there was a movie where chuck norris fought bruce lee i think it was enter the dragon i'll have to look it up but chuck norris would kick bruce lee's ass because he has all the skill when he's twice his size [Music] kraken or avati i love caitlyn long and i think she's an amazing person but i won't pick a side on this one both kraken and avanti are great organizations and they're both safe to use what do you think of fabric i got some right here see yeah it's great have it change the human race i watched the 1997 mac world with bill gates after you mentioned in the interview it was hilarious yes giant bill gates tiny steve jobs but it shows you guys what good ceos do for their companies this doesn't matter because once you get to the same skill set you have the law of diminishing returns you know so if you have unless some guy who's like a really good black belt and then he trains another person for 10 years and that other person learns quickly that person who has 10 years of training has a real good shot at beating that other person who's been training for 30 years or 40 years because you're just maintaining skills at a certain point or exploring new things at a certain point but remember if you have an age advantage on someone yeah and also norris was trained in many forms these form was very flashy but it wasn't particularly appealing for fighting don't get me started on this the bruce lee's thing i'm not even going to go down that road i'm going to save that for joe rogan um yeah this was another fun one bill gates got a pie in the face many of you you kids are too young to remember this it happened in the late 1990s in europe so if you google bill gates pie and face a person was just waiting bill gates was entering a building and somebody went by in face and he had pile over his face yeah yeah yes bruce lee is a legend that's true so shame he didn't live longer his chair jumping skills are on point yeah bill gates could jump over a chair like a chair like mine he could jump over it and he would actually show this off as a skill and many many interviews he would do let's see here joe would grill you yeah yeah that's how you get joe really fired up involved you gotta troll him a little bit that's gonna be a it's gonna be a really fun uh really fun interview have you heard from the molten tar monster dude no no no no after shelley and we're really growing and things are looking good suddenly people got silent what a surprise you know and when smart contracts come and multi-asset comes and all those other things it'll get really quiet and the transaction volume will keep going up all these projects will keep being built and get even more quiet the silence is deafening tell them wheat is addictive and they'll lose this [ __ ] oh that's great uh we built voltaire and rust rust is a great language uh make sure to grab some elk meat i'll just show up and be like with an anti-weed shirt while being vegan um saying mma should be banned because it causes brain damage and dmt is a scam oh man that would be so much fun and do you think jill has at spotify over under six months if they try to censor him he'll go he has to or else he'll lose all his money uh but he just bought a 14.4 million dollar home in austin texas so i think he might need some of that spotify money so if i had to guess i think he's going to stay on spotify and it's going to turn into kind of an xm radio howard stern type deal uh thank you for the gates chair reference i'm posting it to all my social media accounts yeah you guys absolutely need to make a meme out of that thoughts on danny brazilian using his public company's money to fund his lifestyle you know this is what some of these guys do i don't have a lot of respect for people who they say look how rich i am and look look at all these beautiful women i have look at all the things i can buy it's one thing to get successful and say hey i'm having this amazing success especially when you share that success with other people like sometimes when you show people what it's really like being wealthy and what the lifestyle is like it's not all as glamorous people make it out to be um like on facebook i posted a picture of my lamborghini on the back of a true truck uh it's been towed three times in the last year i've owned it because of various little problems that it's had so it's nice to show that stuff off and say yeah you know we're all people okay i have more than most uh but uh there's no difference with me versus you and you should never believe that because you have money it makes you special we both breathe the same air we both drink the same water uh there's nothing special about uh people but uh these people come along and then they become the asset and then the problem is that uh they have to keep doing more and more and more of that almost like the instagram models and these things and uh then they have to look for even more crazy ways of differentiating themselves with this wealth and power and then they go into that spiral and usually what ends up happening because they start committing crimes because they run out of resources to be able to do it from their own uh their own accord it's called a grandiosity gap so i don't have a lot of respect for people who do that i'm like what's the guy accomplished what's he done what's he built you know uh if you look to musk you can say well i look all around boulder and i see tons of the [ __ ] cars and this guy wasn't born these teslas wouldn't be here uh you know i watched those rockets landing on the pad and the astronauts going to the space station that is a real person society should reward that and give accolades to that being with beautiful women is not an accomplishment nor is being able to afford expensive meals or these things so anyway it's just a difference of style and personality i guessed um have you ever met elin yes um this is a good one i don't know and it's coming up so we got to do something i would have gone somewhere it would have been a lot of fun but uh unfortunately um the world is shut down so we'll try to do something virtual celsius seems further ahead in development how will cardano compete with platforms like celsius in terms of interoperability they're adapt how about they move over to cardano that sounds like a good plan let's find a way to make that happen is this your saturday night charles yep this is my saturday night and the mood is right oh what a night damn charles hi charles late night surprise too much coffee today welcome dr lesser we're going to change your last name to dr elector will you please wear two pens tucked in your collar went on rogan yeah so if many of you if i don't have the front pocket because they're gradually phasing that out i'll actually put the pen on my collar so what you're asking me to do tommy peters is put my pens in my collar like that is that what you're asking me to do tommy peters to do that i mean it can be done tommy peters two pens in the collar and then they'll call me to pen charles uh um are these lamy pens you recognize them yes they are they are lamy pens i am a big fan of lambie pens and uh two penn charles is always always a fan of those in the collar all right lord of the rings are star wars well star wars under kathleen kennedy can just go [ __ ] itself so lord of the rings we'll see what they do under amazon but i uh the only the mandalorian is good and they're going to find a way to make it bad they're trying so hard you know john favreau is like no disney no don't ruin it uh sunday morning here in oz welcome oz australia is a beautiful place will symphony of blockchain ever be revived at some point yeah one of these days rogue one was the only good new star wars movie that's true and they had to reshoot it oh my god it was so much work you know here's what they need to do if if they hired me to reduce star wars and they said charles we need to save the franchise kathleen kennedy's out the very first thing i would do is i would make an r-rated standalone vader movie just go do what they did with logan you know an r-rated wolverine movie go do that for darth vader okay then the only good asset that they have right now is the mandalorian so it's clear that these cereals are very popular and if they're done correctly can help you build out your universe so go do that okay and saturate for the next few years your entire baseline and the comic book series that they've been pushing out are pretty reasonable then you have all this great content from the old republic so go do a trilogy in the old republic and hire some decent writers uh for that not d from uh game of thrones that they should be flogged and hanged for what they did uh for a season seven and eight but go hire some decent writers for the old republican go do that and there's tons of material for this then the other thing is pretend like the new trilogy that they just made never happened and go remake episode 789 and make them properly bring mara jade back and all these other things and what you do is use the mandalorian and your other cereals to push your way back into episodes seven and eight and uh redo the whole thing so de-canonize these movies they did it with the incredible hulk uh they can do it here just pretend like those movies didn't exist boohoo to anybody who complains about it um and you know there's the the clone wars people and all these other things uh there's just a lot of great writers a lot of great material that lives in the ecosystem so that's what i would do and it would be amazing you guys would love it and it will never happen because star wars is now wolk wars just like star trek they killed star trek star trek discovery is a dumpster fire picard is a dumpster fire i just don't understand why they take these amazing franchises and they just burn them to the ground and then when you complain about it you're a bad person but that's just charles 2 penn hoskinson's opinion don't forget the fallen order series there's some good stuff in that pipeline yeah there's a lot of good stuff oh that's a good one this one right here thoughts on bethesda being bought out by microsoft do you think it a lot of fire under their asses and push for elite states on elder scrolls 6 and star field so i actually know some people at bethesda and elder scrolls 6 they have been working on very hard they built a completely new graphics engine it's a flagship game so like when skyrim came out that was the foundation for the fallout series and um a lot of their derivative franchises and they're making a lot of money from the elder scrolls online and they have a lot of very profitable ip sources so bethesda's not in like a super rush to get anything out quickly and generally with the elder scrolls series these these are kind of the next gen technology so they were waiting for ps5 in the new xbox to propagate and they're building basically elder scroll six for that in terms of its underlying technology is going to be using something equivalent to what you're seeing with unreal four and it's just really amazing what they've been able to accomplish with it and there's just all these new features and cool ai systems and other things so um there's a big team it's and they're putting a lot of effort into it now the microsoft acquisition of bethesda is interesting microsoft has a very poor track record of when they acquire a studio basically just screwing the whole thing up whether they did a good job or not with minecraft they haven't really done much with that ip to show like a big improvement or acceleration and they've destroyed a lot of other franchises like lionhead studios and you know these other things in their past fable was a dumpster fire after um fable iii so if i had to guess i think you would see no meaningful change in bethesda today and for fallout and for the new fallouts that are coming in for elder scrolls six i think you will see a significant change in bethesda over the next three to five years in terms of how they pursue game development the types of projects they work on and how these projects are wired together but not not much today it's a shame bethesda was a one of the good ones you know it's uh a great studio by the way they were inspired to create the elder scrolls by my game uh legends of valor i can say it's my game now yeah you know i didn't create it i just bought it what do you think of the recent epic versus apple fight epic gonna lose cause apple gonna apple okay this is how you should ask every question if you want an answer now hey to penn c [Laughter] does legends of valor have an ending not yet but i did write one but i'm not happy with the one i wrote do you like the forgotten realms forgotten realms third edition great time of troubles and post time of troubles great forgotten realms fourth edition they destroyed everything that was ever good about that entire world it was it was like taking this beautiful beautiful child and then filling the tub up with scalding hot water putting some insulating gloves on and strangling the child in the scalding hot tub and uh then they let it live for a little bit like in horrific pain and terrible burns over its body and then put it back into the scolding water i will never forgive wizards of the coast for what they did and with fourth edition i will never forgive them for what they did to forgotten realms it um had well over 20 years of lore and beautiful history and a beautiful game world and they just threw it all away they got rid of chult they killed the entire gods in the pantheon they destroyed the whole magic system it was horrible what they did absolutely horrible and unforgivable and those people should be quartered out and shot said i never looked back i went total pathfinder and i've never looked back since they've lost me for life but pre-fourth edition beautiful absolutely great game world i grew up on the gold box games second edition and first edition it's catching on already right cool look instead of popping your collar you'll be too pending it that's what 2 penn c does yo there we go no way you'll top the alex jones episode we're going to go five hours and then spotify editorial control we'll edit it down to 30 minutes and then it'll just have like this fact-checking thing next to me and they'll say how horrible charles says georgia the country of georgia done deal [Music] where did the eagle end the eagle has landed in the office looks really good there actually it was a lot smaller than i thought it came in a huge crate so i was like oh no i don't have room for this but we open the crate outside we're able to get it up the elevator so it's in the office hard to wing suit at 230 pounds you're damn right i need to lose some weight and strengthen up red pen or blue pen oh that's awesome i can take him out be like right with the red pen right with the blue pen oh i didn't even think about yeah i love this this is great thoughts on crypto finally uh rachel siegel yeah i like her a lot she has a good little show and good marketing chick she makes very good money with that marketing shtick and she's actually very bright no they're about done you know the growing season's over i'm just about to harvest the pumpkins oh oh oh oh i gotta answer this one up here bigfoot a little bit higher than that do you like the band tool to me tool sounds like garbage cans having sex i do not like them i don't like dodge rams and i will not eat green eggs and ham did i miss the georgia news when did this happen the prime minister of the country wrote about us but we're not relevant for wikipedia would you ever publicly debate vitalik what's the point of that i'd rather do productive things right now for the infosec folk the best thing you can do is participate in idea scale in in the discussions around voltaire in the dc fund a huge amount of these ideas are going to require a security dimension it's a good way to get some business make some money and really help people out i think that's the best way you guys can participate security mindset is very hard to come by oop wrong one no i don't want to do that one either where was it where was it ah here we go been asking this question for a while what is your history and relationship with andreas and antonopoulos i've known of address for well over seven years and um occasionally go on his show let's talk bitcoin and we've run into each other quite a few times throughout the years he's a great communicator and a good educator and one of the good guys in the space your thought on wood price skyrocketing i should have been a lumberjack i got an update on that from the lab not ready to talk about it yet what was the question stacy what was the question i was scrolling through i'm doing this by hand on a touch screen touchy screenies who is the smartest guy in the blockchain industry [Music] hmm you know um alex cherpinoy is probably one of the smartest guys in the industry um he knows a little bit of everything he can do everything um academically probably the strongest guy uh is uh silvio mccauley because i mean he's like got the nobel prize in computer science and built half of the stuff in our industry uh and he's an exceedingly smart guy and he's hired a lot of very bright people uh promote viswanas is probably another one of the smartest people in the industry as is our chief scientist aguilas casas he's an extremely good guy duncan is probably the best engineer in the industry but there's a lot of really good people um this industry tends to be a beacon to attract brilliant people greg maxwell is also incredibly smart toxic person but very smart and very talented and uh and you'll never get any brownie points forever trying to collaborate with them if you're either with them or against them yeah there's some really good people the smartest person i ever met was terence tau there are few people in life that can ever achieve that that level of thought have you ever talked with gavin wood about cardano oh yes he is well more than aware of what we do and we rub shoulders every now and then you asked i answered i don't believe anyone wants to see 40 iohk stake pools so will i which case take the smaller pools when k increases well i don't know maybe people do want to see him maybe they don't want to see him you don't want to see him i don't know uh yeah we'd love to do some community delegation when a partial delegation is enabled and delegation portfolios is enabled it'll make that a lot easier conversation my problem is that who do i pick if i pick bob and not alice alice hates me if i pick alice bob hates me so the very act of trying to help the ecosystem means i'm picking winners and losers so i'd like to avoid that until i have a more impartial way of dealing with it and whether we have 20 pools or 40 pools does that particularly matter no you know we have eight percent of the supply so of course we're gonna have a few pools come up with a different consensus mechanism if you think uh plutocratic consensus is not fair i care a lot about the system surviving i have vested interest in that respect are you a fed no this is an interesting one favorite nfl team griffin colorado the denver broncos were but you know i have not watched a game of football in a few years uh last game i think it was one of the super bowls i just don't care about the nfl anymore um the nfl did the same thing that kathleen kennedy did to me with star wars i used to love star wars i was a huge star wars fan i got very excited about it after the last jedi i just became apathetic i didn't care when rise of the skywalker came out i guess i'll see it but there was no passion there anymore and after what's recently happened with the um nfl the last few years with all the politics and these things i just don't care anymore about the nfl i just don't even think about it i i used to know who's in the draft if their first round or second round the difference between ryan leaf and peyton manning uh you know blast from the past and uh i knew everybody's quarterback rating and what was so nice about a football was that it was the ultimate opener in the united states in particular for having conversations with people you'd be at the airport at the bar you'd sit next to some guy and you know you could just be like if you're in seattle how about those seahawks they'd have an opinion about it it was nice it really was to be able to have that opener and you'd be able to speak about football for a few minutes and then you could pivot to something else but at least you can build rapport and camaraderie with people and now it's just a dead sport to me i just don't care i don't care who wins don't care about the broncos i don't even know who the quarterback the denver broncos are i don't even know who the head coach is it's uh it's pretty crazy and every year they're getting less and less ratings and audience and you know it is what it is so on to other sports and it's sad too because it was something i truly enjoyed and my dad truly enjoyed and it was a way for my father and i to keep a thread together and i lost that because of all these things and apparently i'm the problem because of that that's what i'm told foreign thoughts on a restaurant utilizing the cardano blockchain be pretty cool for food safety uh you know it's one of those downstream consumers of things that have already been blockchained so it's entirely possible the restaurant of the future when you get your food you can basically scan a qr code or something like that that is programmed to the table and you can actually see the entire history of all the ingredients and where they came from and the people who worked on them so you know this is the magic of when you start getting creative and you think about where is the world going and where where do these technologies go and something as simple as well what can a restaurant do with this you suddenly can create a whole ecosystem around telling stories about the things that the people are consuming and it works both ways customers as well as you know the providers you can know about famous people who worked at the restaurant famous people who have eaten at the restaurant you got all these beautiful chicken systems for them a great example is um when i was at cu boulder i used to eat at this restaurant nearby cu boulder called the sink it's a very old pizzeria very famous one and the ceiling of the sink has all these beautiful hand drawn pictures and uh and uh you know text and signatures and things like that and have these nice murals on the side of the restaurant tell the story of it well robert redford was the janitor there way back in the day like the 1960s or 50s or something like that and i just had so much fun always going there and there was so much history that was there a lot of older restaurants like the other day i eat at um the buckhorn exchange it started in 1893 it's the oldest restaurant in denver the owner of that restaurant was good friends with teddy roosevelt and when they go hunting he actually would get all the animals taxidermy and he'd drag him back to his restaurant so if you go to the buckhorn exchange you will actually see the hundreds and hundreds of various animals that he hunted from bears to skunks to wolverines and exotic birds and all these other things alongside all the guns of the time so they have calvary rifles from the 1890s and these things and the restaurant has so much history eight u.s presidents have eaten there uh the both the apollo and the gemini astronaut to be there um great sports stars governors entertainers like johnny carson vanda white it's a pretty eclectic place and they tell you that because that's their shtick but it'd be nice to actually have a system that lets you know these things the customer side and also the employee side along with the food and everything else the point is it's your imagination as an architect if i've done my job right it's easy to build these things uh and you can learn quickly from those who have built these things and pull these things into your business and they scale very rapidly uh that's the magic of great platforms when cell phones came out smartphones came out and they had the app store then suddenly it was so easy to build all these experiences that previously would cost millions to billions of dollars or be just physically impossible and you could make assumptions about your customers that you could never make before for example uh when you look at this pandemic a lot of the times when i go to eat and i scan a menu with a qr code they won't give you a paper menu they actually just assume you have a cell phone and a cell phone that's internet connected and a cell phone that can scan a qr code and pull up a menu from their website that would be an insane assumption even just 10 years ago but today it's a reasonable one to make for most restaurants so answering your question you know i think if i've done my job right there's a great foundation to innovate on and that innovation will allow you to be creative in trying to make your business more appealing whether it be telling the story of the customers who have eaten there whether they be famous people like presidents or infamous people like ted kaczynski or they'd be great employees who went on to go do incredible things like the robert redford story for example or the story of the food or the people who prepared the food where the food came from uh better ways of tipping you know more interesting ways of tipping uh so you know the sky's the limit for this type of stuff anyway that's a good way to end it and so as a yeah there's a good one from dan best charles thoughts on russell j gould and correct par syntax grammar sorry dan that's for a different time there's a good way to end it though thanks everybody three hours today two hours 39 minutes and 58 seconds i'm gonna go get some sleep charles two penn hoskins i'm tired
