hi this is Charles Hoskinson broadcasting live from warm sunny Colorado it's a beautiful day outside we're truly enjoying it let's just make sure my microphone is looking good okay just go ahead and get all that settings up just a moment okay testing testing good all right so if everybody can hear me loud and clear all right it's good to be here back in Colorado I was just in Los Angeles and we had a great time launching a new product the collie Leonard shoe for a new balance I think it's the first athletic shoe that New Balance has done in conjunction with an NBA player could be wrong on that but it might not be anyway we built an authentication product for them and we were having a heck of a lot of fun design yeah it could about eight months to negotiate the deal it's live on the card on own network so if you download the New Balance app go to New Balance that io HK dot I hope you can actually see the application you can also find it in the iOS App Store at the Google store and basically how it works is that is that there's a pool of color data and these represent shoes and you get when you buy your special shoe you get the card with the shoe the real chain card it's a registered cart so it actually has this color data on it and then when you get your shoe you can register it and connect the card to the shoe so it's a great application it's got a little hacky for the first generation it's an MVP and it's a wonderful conversation about how are we in the long term going to handle authentication of luxury goods and to me it's very exciting because this is a trillion-dollar market and there's a lot of counterfeiting going on a lot of authentication problems there's a lot of issues with how secondary markets should work with luxury goods a New Balance has just been an exceptional partner we've loved working with them we've looked designing an app with them it was so fun to go to Los Angeles to their store and actually watch real time people registering their card and doing something live on the card auto network so that's that's pretty cool and it a great example of blockchain in action where you just basically start from idea to a finished product in less than a year and you're able to make a dent and do something to an industry that's historically been a very tough these companies confiscate tens of millions of counterfeit shoes every year and that's probably a small part of the marketplace and shoes are not even the most counterfeited of luxury goods there are many many things that are higher for example Rolexes nine times out of ten if you see a Rolex in the wild it's a fake Rolex not a real one and that only damages it diminishes their brand so the fact that blockchain can be used the card ato network in particular can be used to help solve this problem and innovate around it is super cool and it's just a fun little application that we were able to get out things are working well on the test net side we're having a lot of fun with that we Jormungandr is God through multiple releases last week we were hoping to get out Oh point seven over the weekend but we've decided to add a little bit more to it so probably tomorrow or the day after and that's going to be a major update to the test net we're gonna reset it and that will give us the ability to begin broad scale stress testing so basically we're gonna start really ratcheting up the notes right now we're at like 50 60 on a private test net and our hope is to take it to a thousand and I told Sam leathers or a dev ops engineer the director of DevOps take it to 11 so let's see if we can go ahead and put 11,000 nodes and then go up and see we do over a hundred thousand nodes or something like that it's going to be fun to break the network you know see where our performance goes so we're really getting it done we've also begun Indian testing so Dettol is combined with the Haskell Wallet back-end combined with the Jormungandr rust node all together all this one package and this is Daedalus the next edition so that's the edition with the Shelly features and we're finishing up the Shelly features in the Haskell wallet back-end and then of course Jormungandr is rapidly evolving thanks to all the QA we have over 2,800 people now in the test net channel every time I open it there's like a thousand messages in there it's super exciting to be able to see how quickly people are installing configuring and I think we just hit our thousands issue on the German Canada repo so that's that's pretty cool that's pretty cool not to be outdone the Haskell sides move pretty quickly too card on a 1.7 it's going to be deployed to may not likely by the end of this month this was a major Daedalus upgrade yeah I think have a message center in it so we can push messages to Daedalus there's some GUI fixes some under-the-hood fixes and then the very next thing we're going to do is deploy the rewritten node to the core nodes and then we're going to turn on the Oh PFT hard fork so look for that in November and then we'll begin upgrading more and more pieces of hit the structure in December and then we'll do an end-to-end upgrade so likely the whole new be written haskell card on o will be pushed to the consumer and january will also have a haskell shelley test net according to our most recent plans likely in january as well and then you can kind of see the delta between what your main gander is doing it the haskell client is doing so things are certainly moving the right direction the instead of ice test nets still on scheduled for november we'll go ahead and make an announcement sometime this week or next week about specifics for that as well as the airdrop date of when we're going to do the snapshot or a little over we're still trying to decide whether it's better to do one snapshot or two snapshots and we'll explain the differences between those two one snapshot we just say here's a date go ahead good luck i in and if you don't do things right by that date well you know yeah better luck next time a to snapshot would be like a dry rub where we say okay we're gonna do a snapshot let's say november 10th for example and then maybe we wait two weeks and then we do another snapshot and for the first two weeks that's kind of a trial run so all that mining is not real but it gives you a chance by that you have access to your tests that ada for staking and you could actually do things that if you can't you have two weeks to remediate that problem or something like that so we're having some internal conversations of whether one snapshot or two snapshot ideas better the second thing is we have begun discussions with exchanges about what they're going to do and we are also looking at our restoration options for wallets can we restore a hardware wallet the new Daedalus interface or your ROI wallet and so forth so all of that will be in the blog post when we we post that and we've got a lot of great feedback the channel and for questions got over 200 questions and we put out some surveys until the state poll task force we got hundreds of answers there we got some things in the forum so our community's been very verbose and it's been quite a bit of fun to actually go through this whole process and so we're learning a lot along the way we're also thinking about designing and deploying a state pool dashboard so if you deploy a stick pool you'll have a GUI for that we've gathered business requirements we're building a we're building up a nice Explorer as well for the for the incentivize test net so things are rolling we've released probably more software this putz that we've released in a really long time and we're not slowing down were speeding up and quality is really good and it's so cool to be able to do things the Haskell way slow and methodical but then do things the rest way and that very Silicon Valley agile move fast and break things and allows us to kind of see around corners and bring more people into the tent faster so that's that's just fun so thank you all for having a nice time and participating it's been alone it's been hell of a ride and we have a lot more to do okay so without further ado let's go ahead and get to your questions exciting times ahead and by the way this program is not just some MOU or pilot with New Balance it's actually a real project they pay us and it's a real product in market that people are buying and using right now it's just a question of how can much can we scale that relationship and our hope is to scale it up as much as possible okay let's see what we got here Steve oh I just missed you at the party yeah I believe you're the person who reached out to me over twitter or who said you were in los angeles I had just left cuz I had a dinner a commitment and I waited around a little bit and I couldn't find you no I was hoping to see you there so better luck next time Charles what are your thoughts on sea cash halo and is it really a breakthrough in do you plan to analyze it before the basho phase you mean this type of analysis mm-hmm that contains detailed engineering notes on how to build it and different things that we'd have to do and how it's being houston products like code on it was diagrams and everything oh no I as a CEO never get stuff like that never never never ever we are definitely following the latest see greatest state of the art we're doing a lot of snark work on the hood we have some cool ideas we've implemented sonic we're looking at Marlin we're looking at other things and guys 2020 is going to be the year of the snark for a lot of cryptocurrency projects and it's extremely exciting to see how powerful this is and what it can do because basically what you're thinking about is you saying I have Genesis block the latest block and the state of the system like the UT Excel or the account state and that's it and I have this weird proof thing and then when I see stuff happening I just can check it against this recursive proof and I know it's right and I never need more than that amount of information so you got a petabyte scale blockchain and you only need a few megabytes that's cool that's really cool that's how we achieve real scalability so there's certainly other ways you can achieve this with NEPA powell's or our proof of stakes die chains but this is a complementary approach that does different theoretical things for you and we're super excited to explore that so I actually asked Vitaly and my other engineers because he's crazy smart he's got like two PhDs and got one a crazy crazy rush island to really look into this and he spent weeks and weeks thinking about Halo and he spent months and months implementing snark stuff for us and we're gonna certainly make an announcement at some point but halo is definitely a big breakthrough all due credit to the Z cash team Electric Oien company did a great job there and we're so excited to see recursive snarks work their way with untrusted set up into the cryptocurrency space so attaboys were we're having fun and we're just gonna keep going out there hi Charles what's the status of development of Africa anything new the progress of John's work absolutely we signed a pilot deal we're doing the feasibility study feasibility study should be probably towards the end of the year I mean a local partner that's helping us with the feasibility study I had a meeting this morning about it and then we may even be able to offset some of the cost of the pilot with funding from either world bank or another grant organization so we're going through the whole gamut we're making some applications and there's a good chance that we should be able to complete that currency pilot by a june of 2020 my hope is a hybrid solution where we use at allah for the specific things within the city hosted by the relevant ministries and then we actually implement a token on the card on own network that actually represents the digitizer so john will certainly go back on the card ah no effect when the time is right we'll have a great conversation but that's great product because that's that's about four million users that we could bring in to the card on our network so we have some great things to do okay question for Michael s are you blocking me on Twitter I have some ideas for killer applications Michael no I do like you Michael I think you're great guy the reality is that there are just so many things coming my way that I've decided to hire some commercial directors so we have two people we brought up Michael McDonald the other ones named Jerry and what we're going to do is when they're fully on boarded I'll give you their email and I'll do it through a Twitter DM and then you can share your eyes with the ideas with them and they can give you the time of day more importantly they're bold so if there's something interesting they actually can work with you to get that done hi Charles does New Balance real chan to use ADA yes and no so we're using color data for the shoes so you have to do a transaction on the system which consumes a transaction fee but it does not require for example ADA to be purchased to do an authentication that's all handled by the application so so later on we pre implement this as a polluted smart contractor that it had that same metered model that a theorem has but we do but we do use ADA kind of sort of but in a kind of hacky way like color points okay Charles you do great academic work how do you as a CEO plan to make the product attractive from Wall Street Silicon Valley investors to get massive tailwind so there has to be some market infrastructures set up and certainly partners at the foundations working with that bill good infrastructure from custodial solutions to market making opportunities and so forth and just increasing the exchange listing and then eventually people will think hey it's a really good idea if we have a Bitcoin fund and an aetherium fund to also build a native fund and so where and when that makes sense we certainly meet with interesting people whether they be I'll goes or waves or others and have those conversations on our sites technical on the foundation side it's more business and our goal is to eventually build out that infrastructure and anticipation for the ecosystem scalable because there's definitely gonna be a need for that we'd also look build an investment banking product with waves where we potentially could build an on blockchain fund for eight is so that would be really cool to explore both on the technology side but also on the regulatory side you know how to get that done but we're we think about that a lot NEPA Powell you follow the new me or NEPA Pao's artwork they took our work week is using things that I which k develop back in 2016 hello from Brazil obrigado okay what else we have here did you end up pulling the trigger on buying slush supporting that soccer team and Eric yeah I'm gonna get the ginger hippos it's just a question of how we're going to do that what we're going to do I was gonna go to Uganda to seal that deal but there was Anibal outbreak so I kind of said I'd come back a little later but we'll get that done and actually I'd love to meet the king of Uganda King Oh yo he's like 28 years old and he's single you know it's gonna be a lot of fun hanging out with that guy yeah you would like to hang out with the again Dan King anyway we're gonna do some cool stuff and with Africa it'd be really cool to build some applications of Cardno it's specifically for sovereignty I'd love to tokenize the players I'd love to build a crypto soccer league throughout Africa and also I'd like to encourage the other cryptocurrency businesses in our space to buy soccer teams because then I can play them I'd love to play the Consensus team in the ihk team these teams really aren't that expensive you usually can pick one up for $50,000 so that's a lot of fun and it's a great way of bringing mainstream people into the cryptocurrency space because they say oh I can tokenize the advertising of my team I can I have like a next-generation style baseball card because I can now have cards tokens representing players as non fungible assets there's all cool kinds of cool things that can be done and it'd be super cool to do that okay do you think Toronto could replace Bitcoin yes number one we go for number one Michael one of the problems with the car not taking notes right now is it is an alpha product and what an alpha product means is it's gonna blow up in your face more often than not and it takes a lot of patience to get through that but that's the point of alpha testing is that it helps you get a lot of the bugs out more quickly and they get the beta where it doesn't blow up in your face as much and then you get to out a mane and that ideally never blows up in your face or a seldom blows up in your face and for certain people that don't want to have to configure as many things we've been working with channel partners and our hope is to have available for sale as a reference some form of hardware stake pool that you can just buy for a few hundred dollars and everything comes batteries included you run a few scripts and boom you're off to staking and you're off to running the network so we're definitely excited about that we'll make an announcement when we have that after Shelley is released on main chain won't be the next milestone hopefully in tandem with Shelley but certainly not too far away our next goal is going to be go garden which is smart contracts and we actually have a wonderful product managers am Steve Olga great lead Technical Architect theremin Mel Chakravarthi and his team we've just seen great things out of flutist and what boy we're real excited absolutely absolutely more excited Darko what was more shitty to deal with I infection of the gap by far the eye infection I permanently lost some eyesight in my left eye because it was horrible absolutely horrible and I was being treated every day by an ophthalmologist I did everything in my power and it's just viral eye infections are the worst gout is just super painful but you get through the pain yeah okay what else we got here so our goal with the stinking hardware would be basically taking open source hardware building some custom cases for it and then reconfiguring all the scripts and a Linux distribution and then basically you can buy it from a vendor as a reference and sell and we'll have a wholesale at retail chain but we'll make an announcement about that hello from Korea you know I just missed the Korea trip I was going to go and unfortunately I was a bit under the weather and I missed my flight and I really regret that I was gonna do an event with an icon and go to a conference and we were really excited about that unfortunately we just couldn't make it happen so I will be back in Korea that's time I'm back in Korea because I I missed uh you know I'll bring some cool goodies with me like t-shirts and maybe a fries a few staples for people of course the channel is uncensored you know everybody says we should have moderators like say what you want to say you know I'll just ignore you if you're a bad dude who cares yeah people get so bent out of shape yeah everybody's got an opinion and if person wants to be a troll we self censor we just don't read them don't take them seriously hello from Portugal good to meet you guys when will a Bitcoin in aetherium sport be added to Daedalus that's a good question so we've designed the wallet backend it'd be super cool to get it working with Bitcoin and then it would be pretty easy for us to just have a flag in the software so you can just click a button and suddenly support Bitcoin Bitcoin unfortunately just does not want to adopt modern technology to make these things make it a significantly better user experience that's why we're building car dotto that's why I helped build a theorem because the Bitcoin guys don't like innovating they just like keeping the status quo but we certainly could get support there if we wanted to in short order theorem supports a little bit more difficult but we've done it once before we did it with mantis that's a slightly different code base though so we have to think about it and also why would I want to support a product that's gonna die Caridad I was gonna replace it but a good day today hello from you're not gray yeah actually the other place so beautiful I've been the month of video and it got Olivia and hello from Ireland good to see you Darren you know we might have over 40 Irish employees long term it's crazy how many people we have in Ireland and actually our project management and some of our product management's done out of Ireland it's beautiful place anything new from your research team a lot of good papers we just proved that bitcoin has some quantum resistance you should look for that a lot of structural papers Kachina private smart contracts oh that's a good one that's actually a really good one that's could be fun to build too we're really innovating we had 18 submissions I think in October in September more on the way more on the way hello from London hello from Australia any updates regarding your mountain climbing expedition in Antarctica I really do want to climb Mount Terra for you guys who don't know this story basically we're going to train with wim HOF become immune to the cold gonna take paramotor lessons and really get good at flying a paramotor especially with tandem and then i'm going to go down with jammer Oni and I'm gonna go down with Brian McKenna and wim HOF and we're going to go to Antarctica and climb Mount Ayr we'll have a helicopter go there before we climb the mountain and drop off tutors we'll climb the mountain it's a volcano and then we'll find the paramotor somehow and then fly off the mountain back down to base camp and then open up a very old bottle of Macallan that I haven't had so if we don't die it'll be a really good story and it'll be a lot of fun so we Brian is the most adventurous of all of us and he's already begun the the ice training he's taking cold showers every day jumping probably naked into the Irish waters he's having some fun man he's got that Celtic blood and like Gaelic Celtic blood paint yourself blue kill people blood he's like a pict warriors something like that so so he's an inspiration to us all gerrae on the other hand he not quite there yet nor am i and so we have to we have to catch up with Brian the wool will certainly tweet that hello from Sophia I was just there not too long ago Renan Odin had heard while you're there Rick holy you would tell me to do that and we will find a way to make that happen it will coordinate with you somehow we'll do an interview the card ah no effect by the way when we climb Mount Ayr we have to do it shirtless because we're with the with the Iceman so I might actually do it like America themed underwear or something like that yeah just think about that no other founder does that I don't see fatale climbing Mount terror with a Canadian flag on no nationalism these days okay yes wim HOF is definitely Dutch I once ran into him buying waffles he said he's the Iceman don't die before yeah we'll get Gogan and Shelly out before and don't worry we'll have a good product manager on top of the rest ah crazy about it is coming out of card out oh well yeah you kind of been working guys we've been doing stuff like like lots of work it's funny you know you wake up every day all these people work so incredibly hard and then people get surprised that you've actually been doing real work Wow we thought you were all just hanging out we're not in Silicon Valley for a reason we don't like going to the parties we actually like doing real work you have to actually work out here Colorado let me tell you yeah I am on fire must be that hot sauce come on guys give me some good questions and he plans to visit Brazil absolutely my director of engineering is from brazil bruno paleo whereas a great guy and I'd love to go with them we also have Mario large era one of our researchers said Tokyo Tech he's from Brazil and we have a lot of great Brazilians who have helped make our town are great in its near and dear to our heart we have a huge development team actually in Argentina in bonus IDs and so they're just in the neighborhood and so be super cool to go do a South American trip go to Montevideo go to Palma SETI's go to Santiago and then finally come up to Sao Paulo it'd be fun guys coinbase yeah we're doing that we're doing that don't worry about it'll get done what about Indonesia mergo is there used to live in Jakarta love that place and yes Silicon Valley is absolutely a cesspool do not go there $3,000 for a one-bedroom apartment come on now $10 coffee get my coffee a cave girl just across the street very nice but he loves cave girl coffee all right let's yes Charl should we be worried that some focus will be pointed towards attala instead of card ah no can you elaborate why new ballets uses the real chain logo instead of Corrado they use the real chain logo because their new bow and they have every right to brand their own products accordingly who cares what the back end uses as long as it back ends are back yet as for atala guys there are certain products and projects that make more sense with permission Ledger's than they do with permissionless Ledger's so what's nice about at allies it's guaranteed if we deploy atala that when they want to use a permissionless system it's going to work with card ATO not aetherium or bitcoin or these other systems it uses our stuff so it's a way indirectly to drive large-scale adoption to Cardinal for things that make sense on card I'll for example if I tokenize your national currency I'm probably gonna put that on the card on own Network and then the interface to get into it will probably come through maybe atala it'll exist as a side chain or something like that so there's a lot of interplay between these two systems and we're very curious about how these hybrid systems are gonna work yeah I am very relaxed having a good day it's a great day okay when debit card the debit card is part of the Cardinal Foundation's work we hope they you know something at some point that was an old Michael Parsons project that he announced before you actually had a way of delivering and it is what it is so would you love to have a chat with Andreas Antonopoulos I know him very well we've had her ups we've had our downs I've had many chats with Andres I've been on his podcast a few times he's a good guy is that a green screen yes I am in an undisclosed location in a secret bunker love you to GA can I learn to code I can't code and I'm almost 40 years old oh no yes of course you can learn to code if you're really curious probably a good book his grant Hutton's programming in Haskell I happened on my desk actually one of our secretaries bought it she's trying to learn Haskell herself that's a good starting book to learn Haskell but it's not the best book to start with programming probably think like a computer science scientists from Allen Downey is a pretty good book it's on Python there's also a great specialization code for everybody on Coursera it's and Python it's a really good place to actually just get your feet wet get started to learn about programming and then after you've completed all that which will take a few months there's also several websites like code Academy and others that have exercises and tutorials that you can become a transition into the functional world I'd start with Python because the pedagogy for Python is so well developed I've just tons of learning resources you can get used to going to Stack Exchange and get used to using the command line and these types of things and you can fail fast and fail often and that'll help you along the way then my grandma Hutton's book or the haskell book go to the website and you can learn all about Haskell in which you've done that take the Plutus course on udemy and you are ready to go to do dangerous things when the Singapore penthouses an Asian patient mistress Charles Hoskins I am NOT what's his name Rogers from from quantum he's a great guy I know I live in Colorado love Colorado although do you intermittent fast yes sixteen eight sixteen no II ate eat although I've been a very bad boy lately I haven't haven't kept it house Mongolia going we're gonna do a class after the class is done we're gonna build it up and then we're gonna use those people to go ahead and do a pilot the country it'll be a little bit behind Georgia and Ethiopia but it's gonna be nice it's gonna be nice and we're definitely gonna do a Joe Rogan podcast will we'll figure it out for next year after we have a little bit more infrastructure because I want to be able to bring millions of people into a more complete product was lost for to do an ad Reyes will never join the car don t ah he's a Bitcoin guy it's gonna be on that day my new chair is very red they is various dude of you that is nice and red we all like red are you being held against your will yes yes I am by the plague doctor sea-ice little plague doctor he captures people that's true once for a top-three [Music] Charles a lot of fun at spreading thing you will leave card out on one side which kick contract is finished this is not true right well here's what we're going to do once we finish that contract meaning we've shipped Shelley Goggan basho Voltaire so we have a CIP process the Treasury system and we have an ability to submit a ballot for additional funding we're going to do two things first we're going to write the mother of all closing reports and we're going to tell you what we did as I said we follow the pomace way of development here at AI which case old mathematician on mathematician we love that man and he said tell them what you're gonna do do it tell them what you did so that's the last thing this we're gonna bread a big closing report see you're all the papers we wrote how the product evolved the code we wrote and the things we learned five years this is how we spent those five years and what we accomplished then we're gonna say this is the next five years this is what we'd like to do this is where we'd like to go huzzah okay we're gonna write all that up and then we're gonna submit it as a funding ballot to the community well say we need this much money to do these five years and here's what's gonna happen Rickon philippe and all these other guys me read that along with everyone else in the community even that Nostradamus guy that never seems to go away and they're gonna have critiques so they're gonna say well we like this but not this this and this and this and thus begins the negotiation and we're negotiating the art of the deal we're gonna negotiate and if we come to terms I of HK will say okay and we'll take the deal and we'll go and then spend another five years making a de greater than it's ever bad and you know it's gonna happen fire because people say wow I can make lots of money to competitors and these competitors gonna come in and say we can do that but for less or we want to take it in this direction and guess what the community is gonna have a big discussion and a big debate about it and maybe we went maybe someone else wins who knows but here's the beautiful part is you're in charge you get to decide that the ADA holders as how the centralization works that's how you avoid cults of personality you say yes you won the Super Bowl last year what's she doing for me this year yes you've done great things in the past but what are you gonna do for us in the future because this is ultimately our protocol and we're making decisions for ourselves and our children who'll be using this protocol and we'll make the [ __ ] and if we don't win the pitch well that's for good reason either because it wasn't a good enough pitch or somebody else want who's better suited and what does that mean it means that Cardno is always going to be in good hands and it's going to have over time more and more accountability better and better software developers involve more diverse software developers involved so that's how we're doing this and only you can win and multiple companies absolutely could win could chop it up divide and conquer could have any companies working enough pens on the market cap are the Canadian elections going we're never gonna get rid of Trudeau one of these days oh guy is some else how long before people can use carnival without having to understand all this computer lingo well olive cracker I was in Los Angeles and I saw the sneakerheads using Cardno without knowing they were using Cardona or they were using a cryptocurrency they opened up a sneaker box and there's a card there they took their cell phone when tap huh and suddenly he just worked and there was no cryptocurrency no wallet none of this stuff you know we call that a consumer product and we have one in a real distribution with real shoes behind it and that's the magic that's what we're doing and there's gonna be a thousand of those one day the magical thing is when you're using something and you don't even know you're using it that's how you know you want and it comment on the state of the US economy you mean the fact that the ephemeral syrup is just printing money like a drunken sailor yeah not so good you know there's certainly good foundational things that we have for example or a world leader quantum computation where world leader AI or world leader in data analytics world world leader nanotechnology were the world leader biotechnology or a world leader in energy especially alternative energy research as well as fusion were a world leader in material sciences were a world leader in innovation so as long as that's the case America's best days are ahead of it because we own the future we get to decide the future Elon Musk he's putting implants into people's brains that allow us to connect the computers look at battery power cars China's trying to get into this market they can't even make jet turbines and yet they're going to dominate that marketplace no no America is a very strong country and we have a great economy a very diverse economy and we have the best entrepreneurs and the best incentives still fraud occurs now if we do something crazy and elect somebody who puts in a wealth tax and a 70 percent tax on the rich and nationalizes half the US economy we won't have any of that it will all leave and go to Europe it'll go to a yeah it'll go to smarter nations with better governance just like what happened to Venezuela when they put a socialist semi communist government in and Chavez destroyed everything and his successors so it's always a generational battle of capitalism versus socialism of free markets versus controlled markets but at the moment we are still the best place to start a business and the state of our economy is fundamentally strong it might be different next year might be different in ten years but right now if you have to bet on any country then on America and of course I'm biased because I'm American I got my boots on after seeing what people say about you I understand why Satoshi stayed anonymous you got it and anyone who claims you're Satoshi is not Satoshi just that simple hey Charles you should bring Craig right to work on kirtan oh well don't worry guys once we get successful enough he'll say he invented it he's the real Charles Hoskinson Charles II still think a via will still be the first coin with a trillion dollar market cap I sure hope so because it means it's an economy unto itself the only way you get there is not by speculation you get there by use of utility trillion-dollar ADA would mean we literally have millions if not tens or hundreds of millions of users and tens of thousands of very viral applications and massive markets and that would be its own economy and that was what my point was when I said that I said I really hope that happens and who the [ __ ] is Charles Hoskinson love you too Charles is cardano's still working with Zanna and distributive features I certainly hope not what are you coming to Sweden I am going to Sweden actually sometime soon I'll let you guys know about it so I'm big fan of skydiving I've done a lot of skydiving in my life but I've never done a wingsuit and there's an air tunnel in Sweden that I can use to train on a wing suits you just get in and have your wingsuit and you're kind of flying just hovering in the air so I have a one of our cardinal and engineers Roman he works on the Cletus project is a wingsuit guy we're gonna go together and we're gonna have some fun learning how to fly a wingsuit basically an air tunnel and in Sweden so when I do that we'll probably also do a cardinal meetup group because I always try to do cardano's stuff even if it's personal travel that'll be a lot of fun and actually there's a lot of innovation week's new technology in fact you can even not lose altitude you can just fly horizontally it was kerosene jets so that's it's pretty cool and no wingsuits are not by themselves very dangerous Jason that's a misconception they're dangerous because people use them for dangerous things if you're just jumping out of their plane flying a wingsuit then you open your chute and land like skydiving it's actually less dangerous than skydiving it's significantly more dangerous when you base jump for example you jump off a mountain into a four or something like that or you do a lot of these things people do like trying to do these lands without a parachute or something like that please tell us more about quantum computing and resistance of whether it's a threat to crypto currencies or not well mr. nobody let's talk about that so quantum computers are the crypto currency cryptography boogeyman so basically it's just a different way of doing computation that turns out there are special algorithms for it that take hard problems that normal computers consider to be hard and they have a shortcut to solve those problems so that they can be solved quickly something that could take more years and the time in the universe could now be reduced to something that's in the seconds minutes or hours down the Devils in the details first off not all hard problems can be solved with quantum computers only certain heart problems at the moment and those hard problems are unfortunately problems that secure a lot of crypto like diffie-hellman and things like elliptic curve cryptography algorithms things like learning with their super singular AI Sajit ease things like hash phase crypto things like lattice phase crypto and there are many great approaches like X MSS and Sphinx on the hash based crypto side and if you look at lattice spaces a great framework called crystals that was created for IBM and all of these things are being submitted to big nist competition and that NIST competition is going to eventually decide which one of those schemes is going to become America's official crypto for the Department of Congress ie it's what our intelligence agencies will use to actually secure its communication so that's got to be good and they tend to use open-source cipher suites thanks for the sweet beat so we're tracking that we're also doing a lot of foundational research about what a quantum adversary is and as we learn more about that eventually we will redesign the or horse protocol to be quantum resistant and we will also redesign our other cryptographic primitives to the quantum resistant as well so we'll look at snarks from a Quantum's viewpoint and we'll look at signatures and so forth and it's very easy for us to gradually rule these in to carbonyl so it's not something this decade or next decade we're going to have to worry about but it is something probably in the 2030s and 2040s which will become evident it'll take about two or three years of hard research I'd say to redo our protocol suite to be quantum resistant at least with a good trade-off profile and we may lose a few things but because the crypto is more sophisticated like lattice base crypto we naturally gain some really cool things from that so this is something graduate students and postdocs are basically starting careers on and over the next ten years they're going to define themselves this way it published lots of great papers and those papers will very rapidly work their way up to industry and everyone your military your intelligence agency your business has a big incentive to be able to move to post one on Thursday so by the time it's a threat will already have a solution and card ATO will be secured card out out cash CV we do have a new name technically its input/output global just everybody knows us as Iowa HK will just change HK to hugs and kisses Charles Charles Charles white white white does your risky base-jumping behavior put karna at risk somebody's gonna write an article about it apparently I'm in hell because of a painting in my office a soul in hell a soul and hell no I have a gray life guys you know I don't even think about aetherium these days I really don't I didn't watch anything out of DEFCON I just get technical reports about what they're doing but I don't care about potala core aetherium it is a lion doesn't concern himself with the opinion of sheep Charles have you managed to solve the Riemann zeta-function no one solves to riemann zeta function it's a function you're thinking about the Riemann hypothesis the answer is no because I never worked on that problem I need additive number theory I thought about gold bakken things like that Collatz conjecture so forth much more interesting I tell you [ __ ] you Charles you are a [ __ ] mistake yep that you cry every night that my dad didn't wear a condom every night I smile I wake up just thinking that you're crying okay what else we got here who cares about me my mother does she's nice Cal come on guys give us some good questions how do you feel about the horizon project we're still working with them they're doing some consulting work and we're helping out they're great people I love Rob and the rest of the team you know that's how a cryptocurrency should be you decide where you want to innovate you go and do it you build a community might be small might be large but they have some great people they have some great connections and we love working with them and there are very ethical people they're very easy to work with have I read girl Escher Bach absolutely great book strangely was good too I'm a friend I'm a little bit more preferential to Rudi Rutgers work however and I actually invited Rudi at my conference that was a lot of fun I see Pluto size on Amazon Kindle Plutus is on Amazon Kindle yes it is hey Charles you ever think he'll get called to testify before Congress you know that would be a lot of fun if Mark Zuckerberg was there too cuz he'd be sipping his water and I'd be like mark let me show you how to do this take his pillow out from underneath look - although he's coated in honey and he's rounded right now we assume you guys still have maybe a t-shirt for the run honey man run come on I'm disappointed in you this is like near and dear to my heart the naked Mark Zuckerberg with the bear cub coded and honey running away from the mother that is the US dollar you notice that everybody's abandoning him as predicted well crypto light I also went all in on Cardinal and I can assure you I've lost more money than anyone else when meeting with Trump I don't want to meet Trump come on guys how many pools do you want us to reach on the Shelley test net do we need to hit like 500 or 800 well on test net that's a good question Rick you know it depends on what we set the K parameter for I'd like at least see 100 stable and then get a lot of great feedback from them and just really focus hardcore on the user experience and push that as far as we can it's trivial to increase that K parameter to a thousand or something like that but I'm just really interested in the competition and that's the point of doing the inside of eyes test that is it teaches us a lot so we have those trading wheels before we actually launch the system so I hope that we get there why is the real change ship in a card instead of directly in the shoe because the card is at an jeff card it's all interconnected see how that partnership work but actually we'd love to build chip that'd be a lot of fun do do Charles what's the best concert you've ever been to oh that was easily when a journey opened for Aerosmith that was just awesome everything was awesome about that I really loved that concert although we did actually talk to the Pink Floyd about getting back together for the I which case summit they almost did we've almost got that to happen and we would have had an amazing time there so assuming that that we can't get Pink Floyd back I think the journey Aerosmith was a great confidence concert excuse me serious he was listening Sylvia McCauley and he's a telegram could solve Zekey snark within one block without hdl-c okay good for Sylvia you know he kind of invented that whole field of crypto he's a badass you know I love about him hey ever talk to Sylvia you're like hey Sylvia what do you think about this and what's this problem you're working on here it's like yeah well stick it out like damn Akali of course he's gonna figure it out he's a [ __ ] genius I love him he's he's a legend and he's got a great team of people we got the utmost respect for for our brand and their team and you know he's not only a great academic he's got a good sense of humor and he's just a thoroughly good human being and he's he's still ambitious and it's amazing because he's like getting to the twilight of his career there's like he's one you know if it's academia is a video game he wants like six times he's got the Nobel Prize of computer science he's a tenured professor at MIT he's trained an entire generation of probably two generations of cartographers there's really nothing more to accomplish there and yet somehow Silvio wakes up every day and he's like let's go fight let's go get it done and he's really good at working with people and he doesn't get frustrated he always keeps that cool that Italian cool so he's a great guy and we love working with him if we ever could how much should you lost millions billions billions what's your favorite Irish whiskey Jameson 18 wonderful whiskey comes in a beautiful wooden box goes down smooth what do you think of Nick Bostrom's simulation theory yeah if you didn't live in the US where would you live Switzerland Charles so you think pork could be implemented onto card ah no it's a big industry well I don't want to sound cocky but I do think somebody at some point will get that done we should definitely petition for somebody in the community to go to a VN and really push for it to do - do you like stand-up comedy Dave Chappelle whiskey is non kosher I'm not Jewish Charles you still eating red meat yes absolutely dry aged that [ __ ] why Switzerland because they love decentralisation beautiful place they built watches chocolates good get anywhere in Europe from there super easily and they respect your privacy are you satisfied the performance of the test that we're getting there you will eat the bugs Charles I already do scorpions are the preferred ones although silkworms are pretty good too oh wait what about Evie and I got you there did that yeah yeah yeah yeah Charles will card out I'll be working with the state of Wyoming we are definitely going to work with the University of Wyoming in fact we're putting together something really special there we'll announce it later IOH Kri oh why oh why not both Charles asked and said what are your thoughts on cannabis legalization I've always been a supporter always let people do what they want with their own bodies crazy crazy government they don't own me I can do what I want just hold me accountable for the things I do to others have you ever been to Gettysburg yes a rapid-fire question really good show hi Charles someone told you this but you look like the father and Dave and Ava's kids Channel you guys found out my alter ego acting acting acting acting Heineken no no no no no no no how about the book moonwalking with Einstein read it after you mentioned it ocean what you think do you remember it Charles what your favorite death being developed on card ah no can't announce it yet but boy is it special involves authentication and anti counterfeiting I'm really really fired up about it what are your thoughts on John McAfee John McAfee is a force of nature he's his own man and he's gonna do his own thing and he's just [ __ ] amazing to watch he's Alex Jones is amazing to watch John McAfee is amazing to watch and there are just some people in life you meet and you're you're basically not a great experience that's all I'm gonna say a punch shot Charles what's your main goal slash purpose at the same ama's have two goals one in the beginning I talk about where are we at what are we doing and that's a few minutes maybe 10 or 20 then you guys ask me questions and if you're lucky enough to stumble on a surprise to MA well then ya have a chance to ask me a question and it could be anything it can be a personal question and a commercial question a life of ice doesn't matter and we answer them all because it's important to face your community it's important for people to see that's why all these questions you ask are actually publicly available along with the comments and sometimes they're good sometimes you're not do I believe believe Bob Lazar is he the UFO guy that claims he worked in area 51 and did weird stuff with gravity things like that sounds like cardano's creating a digital identity system ihj is Charles shaken or stirred neither what is your proposal to a theorem classic oh it's a good one it's a very good one and we're gonna talk about that next year after Cardinal after shelleyan Gogan what's the paperwork in the pen and the side table under the window magic you guys could speculate on that Guinness drought or stouts doubt come on now don't waste my time card on Oh Charles you do so much science why a car not also low on coin market cap so low is it we're higher than like 3000 other tokens guys we got a lot of work to do we got a lot of things to build the markets have been battered in the West it's a horrible time right now in the cryptocurrencies space but you know what five years from now everything is gonna be a lot better for everybody and the cryptocurrencies are here to stay because young people want them to stay the young people the people who have all the money in about 20 years and there are if you're under the age of 25 you're significantly more likely to buy a cryptocurrency than you are a stock or a pot and that's the trend that will not reverse itself and I feel real real good about our prospects we got it all figured out who's your best competitor al grant the ones I have most fun with and if they won I wouldn't mind who's your favorite rapper I feel like Rick Ross purple Lamborghini purple Lamborghini Oh hey what's the star of your ring it's over a hundred years old it's my pimping hand are you working closely with regulators we have conversations with them all the time hydras coming along quite well making a lot of progress and yes I've talked to cryptic row all the economy messages me on telegram complains that I don't reply back fast enough and I am sorry cryptic row he's a good guy and I love going on a show and I was going to go to his event but unfortunately collides with a big event I committed to you in Spain and I'm keynoting with like 10,000 people or something like that so it's it's unfortunately a collision I hate having yeah it's on my birthday too I'm kind of sad I have not watched Joker yet really do you want to watch it though big joaquin phoenix upgrade up did that people walking fan in phoenix fan thoughts on death metal not particularly Charles how come active on Linkedin I have it I don't even have a complete profile I just put some up for people to message me I hate LinkedIn it's a terrible terrible social network little Wayne hey got a little Wayne that's great did I listen to the new tool album no I I don't listen to tool although I am a Nine Inch Nails fan yeah LinkedIn is the worst see this guy gets it yeah there you go and it is everybody ready for the next season of Rick and Morty you guys all excited about that guys excited now and now no one excited RI a screen people that's here what else we got Charles can i how can i appear more manly if i can't grow a beard like you you're on your own there although there are two DiCaprio made at work absolutely made it work I actually knew a model that slept with him he is a weird man have you met Craig right yes I have most distasteful man I've met in the entire industry met him in Rwanda two minutes into a speech we walked out walked out don't listen to that any thoughts on Stark where and their scalability approach dark where is one of the great companies in our space and they have some beautiful ideas and Ellie one Sassin is of genius he's a brilliant man and they have a great team they also have investors until ventures and kleiner perkins and so forth so I wish him well and we're certainly going to compete with them and I hope somebody wins because this technology is gonna make everything better have you met Obama no just George W Bush and Bill Clinton that Bush twice President Bush former President Bush art Bush is a lot nicer he's super chill dude comments on your eye color it knows the exact color not just a shade of something he knows the exact color he's art bush Charles have you ever climbed or hiked any mountains interstate a lot of 14 errs do you like soccer I own a soccer team guys come on now the ginger hippos hippo hippo ah almost done let me get one one more question but she was hitting on you bro hey he's an evildoer yeah what else we got here come on guys do you play an instrument used to play the piano I might buy that like flute that Picard had and the last light or whatever it was and I'll just wear it as a necklace I can just play it or maybe even from alien covenant Prometheus tulsi versus Clinton you know Tulsi is a war hero I disagree with a lot of her politics but I have a tremendous amount of respect for her integrity and character and I think she's exactly what an elected representative should be independently minded representing their constituency and not afraid to speak her mind and Hillary Clinton is everything that is wrong with politics all bundled into a single person and if the Democratic Party wants to go ahead and say that every time someone has a disagreement with the party line and warmongering that they're an asset of another country in particular a person who's a combat medic who saw combat and dragged bodies out and shot at very dangerous circumstances is an asset of Russia is a disgusting and despicable thing and just I guess Trump was right when he said nasty woman and I'm very glad that she's going to be resigned to the ash heap of history of an also-ran where she deserves to be and no does not mean I'm currently a Trump fan I just sometimes agree with one person sometimes I agree with another person I have very unique politics but I really really cannot stand Hillary Clinton nor can I really stand Donald Trump does the name Carano mean it's named after general cordon Oh Italian polymath boom goes the dynamite Charles grandfather used to dynamite fish what do you think of Andrew yang yang gang the most at oddest of all the Democrats right now if you vote for me I'll give you free money it was like cut out the middleman come on now just everybody gets a check it's like the Oprah Winfrey of candidates and you get you bi and you get you VI oh my god Romans burning Charles are you a basketball fan do you watch the Nuggets a good question there Levon I was a huge George Karl fan I thought he did an amazing job leading the Nuggets he was coach of the year and then the Nuggets fired him and they never tasted the sweetness of the playoffs again the Nuggets her frustrating team because they were just so much fun to watch in the regular season and they never really had the depth to get into the championship but it was still fun to watch him it was fun to watch those games I just watched his games with my dad and it was a way to really bond with my dad before he moved to Wyoming and I reinforced so much fun and I was really sad that they fired George Karl in the way that they did and then after they fired him I just lost interest in the team and actually it was kind of the same with football after paint Manning left the Broncos I just stopped watching Broncos games and yep used to fly-fish back in the day all right kids this has been a lot of fun from warm sunny Colorado until next time Hoskinson out
