hi everybody this is Charles Hoskinson live from warm sunny Colorado broadcasting live from my beautiful home office it's a corona day as you've seen the cases of increased as you seen people are starting to quarantine so I'm spending it quite a bit more time on the farm these days yesterday I had a lovely experience where I tried to feed my donkeys and they ran away and I've learned about how fast donkeys are and as I chased them down trying to get them back into their pens so these are my days in addition to dealing with all the duties being CEO of I ohk I decided that I would give you guys a little bit more of an AMA because I promptly ended the other AMA had a bit of frustration and also I needed to go home it was late at night but now I'm here at home and I have nothing but time and you know there's no one working at the moment at nine o'clock so I figured I'd answer your questions also give you guys a nice request for those of you in Japan can you please tweet some pictures of cherry blossoms to me usually I'm in Japan this time of year and I really do miss blossoming and unfortunately it doesn't look like I'll be there in time to see it myself and so well I'll have to satisfy myself with your pictures so please do send them to me all right now let's get to your questions uh-oh and we wish prince albert ii well in monaco we just heard that he's been diagnosed with chrono biros but he's a very bright tough guy and ice assume that he's receiving a phenomenal health care but it's always a concern when someone gets diagnosed with that okay let's see what you guys got hi Charles can you say anything about the potential for Cardinal Oracle's probably the most likely way we're going to introduce Oracle's into Cardinal a at least from an official ihk perspective as we roll out commercially critical infrastructure will be to include some form of an oracle seat with the blockchain explorer that we've been constructing so when you look at a block chaining for something as complicated as card ah no you can't just rehash what bitcoin is done where you constructed explore that just tracks the movement of assets the transactions in Cardinal are evolving to become significantly more complicated than the transactions with Bitcoin so you're talking about multiple assets you're talking about metadata you're talking about potentially identity information you're talking about smart contract information and potentially some regulatory it's lagging as well given that these things can all be embedded within a card ah no transaction once the coca era is shipped and some of it within the shell era you're gonna have to build a more sophisticated Explorer just to match what you expect from a normal Explorer but then there's also a smart contract exploring and the voting components as well as the operational components of the state pool exploring as well so we actually have a dedicated product manager specifically just to build explorers and that dedicated product manager is going to also look into creating a bundling of a Oracle solution so that smart contracts can query that source it's a good way to bootstrap some basic Oracle functionality as we're getting things started and then we can look into chain link support or support of other Oracle standards there are many that are flowing out from the defy space and please do let me know if you guys have can't hear me or or if not it looks like my mic is working but it's good to get it from the audience as well the router is a Asus router it's got eight antennas and Wi-Fi six I get amazing routers when unfortunately the best I can do is 4G internet so it's like polishing a turd when each ooh never because we shipped Shelley we shipping incentivize test met in December frankly it's as good as jelly if we wanted to launch it today if we were a normal cryptocurrency we just launched on rust and we would have done that in December and it's stable 95% network to 99% network stability thousand 100 registered state pools about 3 to 400 of them consistently operating it's actually the most decentralized network around as a test net and an overwhelmingly enthusiastic community and weekly updates so that's Shelley because we've chose evidence-based software we have to ship on the Haskell side and that's what's coming and obviously it takes a little bit more to bring that to market but we we satisfied that December requirement we ship Shelley and now it's just time to the ship the main net get all those rewards to roll over if people are making money right now off of it are you still going to enter Erica I miss my window for this year and unfortunately cuz global travel bans it's not gonna happen this year next year I will go it's done deal I don't care what I have to do and if I die I die but you know Cardona will be done by then so you guys won't even care what is your favorite nes game and why is it Megaman I loved Megaman that was a great game actually my favorite Super Nintendo game was Megaman X and that whole Mega Man X series I really enjoyed it a killer instinct was also very good I played a film or but in terms of in a NES game Adventure Island was really cool because you had those dinosaurs and you find the different cards and you have the one that breathes the fire and the blue one that has the electricity tail and so forth those were super cool [Music] there aren't any delays right now Charles good to see you how I'm getting very concerned with all these delays calm me down a bit but we haven't had any delays yet you know we've been pretty honest about the deadlines this year and we told you we'd announce it when we were 100% sir stuff is coming out literally every week now every single week there are releases you can look at it the wallet back-end every two weeks data lists every two weeks or so the node every two weeks just I think released 1.8 the ITN gets updated weekly and the reboot is coming out imminently probably the next two weeks we'll just see what we get out by the end of the month but there aren't any delays anymore you guys are just living in a parallel reality things are moving in the right direction what's the quarantine situation like in Colorado my dad's a doctor my brother is a doctor they both practice up in Wyoming and I'm a bit worried about my dad because he's in his 60s and he's practicing medicine still and refuses not to go to work he always shows up regardless of the conditions and he doesn't particularly care if he gets in or not he feels he has a moral obligation to go to work every day and take care of the sick and he's in one of those age groups that if they contracted it's quite serious but despite that he still shows up every day good news is he's in Gillette which is a small town of about 50,000 people give or take and informally I think the CDC is estimating that they might lose about 40 people in that town they only have 15 respirators they're probably gonna need more than a hundred if it reaches the curve that the CDC anticipates is worst-case scenario here in Colorado is significantly worse than Denver but I live outside of Boulder in the long lawn area and there it's not so bad but it has definitely a potential to be bad and it's one of the things where we're just taking it day by day I'm in a good position and I doubt that I'm going to be substantially affected personally by what breaks my heart is I have a lot of friends and family friends who are losing their jobs they're being financially deeply impacted by this a lot of people I know in the service industry are being deeply impacted by the corona virus outbreak just mass losing of jobs ours being cut and the money is just not there anymore as you're aware many people live paycheck to paycheck so this is the greatest tragedy of coronavirus it's not the deaths they'll certainly come and they'll come in droves it's the economic calamity that this is causing fact some banking reports are coming through that I've looked at that say that we could see next quarter at 15% global economic contraction as a result of the coronavirus entire industry verticals of travel and hospitality are just being devastated what personally bothers me though is that many of these companies never bothered to insulate themselves and create cash reserves if you look at big companies like Microsoft Google Apple and so forth they have large cash reserves Microsoft is in a position for example where it literally makes zero dollars for two years and still survive as a company apples in the same position as a company and somehow the travel industry they're in a position where if people stopped flying for a few weeks they're close to bankruptcy meanwhile they've done stock buybacks and large executive compensations and so you tend to wonder about their treasury management and why they've done what they do if I as a small business owner can have better treasury management than a multinational company of hundreds of thousands of employees there's certainly something wrong with the incentives in the way that these companies are being operated and it's a bit disturbing to me furthermore there's a lack of resilience in our global supply chains for coronavirus in particularly moved from a stock pile economy to a just-in-time economy so most people were used to the idea of being able to buy something and it shows up tomorrow so you would just hold as much as you needed and no more and just when you need it the new stuff shows up so this is kind like the Toyota Production system or the this concept of lean production and in general that is gives you a lot of efficiency but when you have supply chain destructions it can create substantial problems for people and so we're in the beginning of the economic crisis regardless of where Corona is that there's going to be the next quarter and the quarter after a lot of cascading ripples that will cause very substantial economic damage unfortunately so I'm not personally worried about Corona I've caught much worse diseases in my life that should have killed me but somehow I survived but that's the story for a different time Corona is probably not going to knock me out it's unfortunately going to damage the economy a lot and it's going to hurt a lot of good people hi Charles when can we expect an update from a part of you the end of the month we did the first update in February we'll probably do the next update the last few days of March and she'll make some announcements then and it's probably gonna be live as well so I did talk to her today and I she mentioned doing something with Tim and doing it live and bringing in a lot of the other product managers as well so they'll make an announcement probably next week or somewhere in that time band of when it will be and hopefully you guys can catch it live there's probably gonna be an opportunity to submit questions beforehand as well so look for that next week is the hell is she at school Shelly testin going to be incentivized no because it's not gonna run that long there are two purposes for the Haskell Shelley custom one to migrate over the ITN infrastructure to the Haskell infrastructure because there is a material difference between the two systems and so the state pool operators that we spent so much time curating and bringing into the system they need some time to retool so that they can work on the software that's going to to the main that and to to verify that your rewards are transferred properly and to make sure that the end user can actually use the wallet properly so those are the two flavors of the incentive of the Haskell test that I the purpose is not to test the mechanics of stinking or the business of staking so it makes no sense to have that be incentivized we probably will have some overlap where the ITM will continue running after while the Haskell test net is running just because you know gives people something to do but it's not going to run for long the Haskell test that it's mainly just to get those two things cleared so it makes no sense to have that be an incentivize run there's nothing to gain from that don't accept SATA anywhere that's not true table low for example I can buy airline tickets and hotel rooms a litany of things I travel on ADA so yes if I can fly around the world with it somebody accepts it are you currently hiding a bunker while the world goes to [ __ ] no I'm on a farm welcome come visit me got my donkeys and my chickens and my geese and my horses and my dogs you know and feed them every day bro my own hay got a John Deere tractor from the 1980s I I'm never gonna leave this place guys I'm a rancher by heart farmer by heart and family for a long time are you gonna review it on Chico Kryptos video about you this morning why guys a gadfly he's in nobody I've recently got kicked off a Twitter you know these people burn themselves out you know what happens when we shift what is he gonna say that we didn't shift fast enough what happens when we're number two and displace atheria we're still scam then we'll the functionality you beat them go on to something else I'll never get an apology you cannot win fighting creatures made out of molten tar the best you can do is just try to avoid getting the molten tar on you and generally speaking you fail in that endeavor you get it on you it sticks it burns and you can't get it off ignore them isolate them anything you do in life is gonna attract people like him scumbags who just distort reality and use confirmation bias to present a view of something to address their agenda they'll just say anything they'll do anything this person wasn't born in this country this thing causes cancer the latest is 5g is apparently causing coronavirus where's the evidence oh well this one thing happened here it's a conspiracy theory and they can show you a picture or video or take something out of context and go down some road like in the birthplace of car dot oh oh DCC operations delivery commercialization capitalization so I didn't like the way it was capitalize okay long time ago but okay we got some money we built something the thing we built is worth considerably more than what people paid for so the people who bought it didn't really have a bad deal and they said well the commercialisation it was supposed to be games gambling everything so one of the founding entities was interested in focusing on games to start with that wasn't our focus it was theirs that's why they were called Carano gaming group they pivoted they said well this general purpose platform was chased bigger market places but that was never our commercial strategy ours was always Africa we'd been talking about that since my TED talk in 2014 which predates the Cardinal project Oh funny how that never works its way into the video huh huh and then operations the foundation was established for that and the original principles were terrible at it so we had to step in and clean up a big mess you know this recent lawsuit is a very example of that these reports provide no substantive value the end reports they were just industry-wide reports okay they're sponsored but if you read them you look at them where the protocols bruises of code where is anything that's have used to what we're dealing with card ah nothing where was anything there that was put into card ah nothing let's ignore the 60 some papers we've now written you academic papers that are massive use that are being put protocol those don't exist the only thing that exists is the papers written by this one think-tank who has to be run by the best friend of the guy used to run the foundation yeah the guy who you know invited persons to go to his wedding and so forth so there's a commercial dispute you know where they said hey maybe these don't provide value let's walk away from it but now this is a giant lawsuit that will end the entire ecosystem and until it doesn't just like the founding the foundation changing management didn't end the ecosystem then let's go to the next thing for confirmation highest it's it's an endless game it's a molten tar monster and he's not going to be the last one there's hundreds of them you run into them any time you try to do anything change anything so the best policy is just stick to your guns and your principles and ignore it move on you know let them burn themselves out and hopefully go on to catch them selves to a different project and burnt people to the ground you know or getting to the end of the road here where things are starting to open up and Shep and the community starting to become resilient and self-sufficient two years ago almost always if there was a crisis I'd have to be involved and do something about it now usually the community just does its own thing regardless of I'm around and I make a ssin for a week and the community's taken care of things and come June or July or August somewhere in the coming months we're going to get to a place where regardless if you're a holder of ADA you're developer of the carnival platform and operator or person vault dominance there's going to be stuff for you to do and that communities the tens if not hundreds of thousands I've seen reports as high in the extreme of a million wherever we're at the needle just keeps moving and the people just keep growing and there's more and more people coming in because they like the technology they like the ideology they like the product market fit the jurisdictions that were pushing into and they like that we're bringing novel new things into the ecosystem and we've gotten a point where you can hate me and think I'm the worst guy in the world but still find value in Cardinal what does it mean as we've succeeded no cults of personality and we're decentralizing as the mole entire monsters want to come after me and chase me around my farm all day long if I've done my job right they can do that and have actually no material impact on Cardinal and I hope we get to that day and it looks like we're getting there soon gaaay which can be brought up under the new defense production act yes io HK and any American company could technically be dragged in under DPA it's never been litigated in the Supreme Court and generally speaking it's a Korean War Act and so it was meant for production of munitions and manufacturing capacity so it's gave Truman the power to go forward and say hey so to making cars you'll make tanks and technically they could use this to go to pharmaceutical companies and say make this drug regardless of the intellectual property or so forth or make this mask but I sincerely doubt that they'll come to us and say hey you know you're cryptographers have to go do some research no amount of cryptography is gonna solve a virus hi Charles could you compare workhorse and Alan Grant pure proof of snake especially with respect to fast finality their DFT protocols so they get fast finality were probabilistic finality so more like Bitcoin in that respect but realistically doesn't impact anything after 15 confirmations with Aurra Boris classic we have practically the same finality that you get from a DFT protocol that's just a few minutes at a 20 second block time we can of course move that a little bit if you super care about fast finality Hydra provides that for free so we have two options we get the probabilistic finality the standard proof of state provides our proof of stake and then we get fast finality from the Hydra side wears out ran is taking an opinion on that side the disadvantage is when you have fast finality its general you actually have a high network latency on your throughput because you have to go through more rounds to settle a second you also lose Byzantine resistance generally you're operating under a third instead of a half-dozen resistance but in practice there's really no material difference between the two you use generally a payment system to do fast settlement or Greene addresses to do this fast settlement when you're dealing with probabilistic finality the notes are consuming more ram each update approximately 2.5 gigabytes in the current 18.5 8.15 well Haskell consume less yes much less it's been profiled for that hopefully we'll have some benchmarks for you guys on the reboot and that's a good indicator Rochelle he's going to [ __ ] because ship because they share so much code it's about an 80% code overlap and they have the same network design so the Haskell side is is not a big consumer of that the reason why you see high resource utilization CPU and network and RAM for the Jormungandr node is almost always because of a Miss optimization or a space leak or a certainly defect as a consequence of the high velocity and generally what happens is they fix those things iteratively so we've had many cases of network spikes and CPU spikes and other things that occasionally crop up and crop down you have to have a trade-off somewhere in your development profile so if you're optimizing around fast turnaround meaning every week you push something out to the user it means you don't have a long enough time to have an independent QA cycle meaning that people who aren't the developers are testing and running it examining in and coming back and working with the developers to correct defects they find within their test suite and also they're rapidly changing things all the time so it's hard to create a stable test suite it's almost like a virus that mutates all the time it's really hard to create a vaccine for it right so similarly it's hard to create proper profiling when you keep changing things so quickly on the other hand you can fix stuff really quickly so if you don't like 8.15 maybe 8.16 actually solves your problem for you and that there's a regression in 8.17 but you get a new cool feature or a fixes another bug that you were worried about the point both Jormungandr and card on trust was not stability and it was not a end product it was to test the user experience of staking and allow us saturate up a large amount of state pools under real economic conditions and that's mission accomplished by far 1100 plus registered state pools and over three four hundred of them operating pretty regularly and actually with our exercise with state pool interactions actually seeing a lot of them make videos now which is super exciting as well keep those videos coming as an unintended consequence because the Vincent his guys are just perfectionist we do see actually a lot more stability in bug fixing with the idea so if they were given you know a few months of free reign and protocol stabilized a bit client stabilized event we'd probably see a high amount of optimization and probably would be the case of the rest code we use less memory and CPU then the Haskell code because it's a lower level language and there's more control of those optimizations when always be the case I mean use linear types with Haskell you probably could get somewhat equivalent performance but that's not quite in scope or supported yet shouldn't be touching your face man I haven't left my ranch today and everything's been sterilized here it's like the one place I can touch my face if I was going to get it for my own ranch I'd get it here I think I'm a better chance of catching anthrax from sheep wool that I do covet here favorite color black minor is a Bitcoin or less public well publicizing snake pool operators be a downside for cardinal is there a physical risk for them being known they're worried about it then they don't really have to Doc's themselves and they don't even have to be anonymize themselves they can even just create a online alias like Satoshi did operate with that have a public reputation around it but nobody actually knows the underlying pool is this is a humongous advantage of proof of stake over proof of work you have a virtual resource instead of a physical resource which means that virtual resources ephemeral it can travel anywhere in the world any country in the world so if there's a big crackdown let's say in China on that operation model all those Chinese origin virtual pools can move to Vietnam or Thailand or somewhere else and exist basically without destruction where's physical assets if there's a crackdown you can't pick miners up and move them it's very difficult to do that for large scale operations so generally speaking what they do is when they crackdown is they they go and seize the assets and say you just can't get that power back and those supply chains can also be disrupted let's see what else you guys got well Haskell students from Iowa kids Africa classes be participating the Haskell Chile test they're actually working for a HK they're not just participating many cases they're writing code or doing various tasks for it I think we hired about a quarter to 30% of the class and they some of them took jobs elsewhere what we absorbed as much as we could so yeah they're they're doing work for us and one of them even works for our director of cybersecurity Charles Morgan doing InfoSec work which was quite surprising to me because I still highly specialized but it was just a joy running that class and I'm very proud of Pauline on Lars for going and living in Ethiopia for as long as they did and doing great work and I'm very proud of the girls for what they were able to put in we don't talk about them enough they should do stuff they should write blog posts and do videos and so forth yeah it'd be cool to have them interviewed on the car Donal effect and talk about the things we're doing with IOH kay well car don't ever work with chain-link I have no problem with working this chain like you'd love to do something with them at some point just one of the things we have to get around to right now we're focused on more foundational infrastructure but building our way up the stack and we'll get to the Oracle side at some point as well as the stable point side at some point now hopefully as quickly as we can a lot of cases do things in parallel Charles can come down to work on a voting app to get Millennials a younger actual vote needs to blockchain they're cancelling primaries in the 2020 they're cancelling primaries and Democratic events because they don't want people to aggregate together when God's name are we voting online block chains are the way to go I know at Sheldon and these other guys are like Oh a voting is bad deal grow up get up with the times Evo ting is more secure than these aggregate voting in and manual paper counting things because you get higher participation so even if you have a higher local fraud rate you get more physical people voting who have different configurations and overall you get a better representative sample and an easier lower-cost sample of your population so I think a voting is the way to go and blockchain is actually the way to do that it's so conceptually simple you issue an asset that it represents the voting token you have dids to register people there's all kinds of ways to critically trust and register people easily on a cryptocurrency and the whole point of watching still count an asset right evoke token as easy as count as in the RC 20 and then your ballots or just addresses and you send them there you see oh oh my god but what about the privacy of the ballot and Institute uh you know as e-cash style privacy scheme and you have completely private collections you know there's tons of ways to put voting protocols on we've invented them l kamal and someone homomorphic encryption and we're actually putting those into Cardno and it's really sad that i is a small company in wyoming i can build a better voting system than the United States uses as a country well for that matter any country uses what the hell is up with that guy's ask for democracy what do I think about the simulation hypothesis I don't believe it and if it is true does it matter why is David Esther no longer employed with the organization he moved on we mutually decided that we could perhaps run the project a bit better with different management as you guys are aware we had historic issues with expectation management and meeting deadlines and getting a proper clear product vision to be articulated and developed and deployed and that took a very special skill set and not everybody has that skill set for this industry and I have the utmost confidence in a partner and I have the utmost confidence in our current product team and last 6 months have been a phenomenal demonstration of their velocity and capabilities I'm very hopeful for this year it takes a long time to find the right people and it's not a dig on those people who didn't quite make it through it's just not everybody's cut out to work in certain industries or work with certain product types and in certain environments and they have to move on to a brighter horizons did make some good contributions and certainly a great articulate guy and you know we wish them well and we really do hope that his talents could be better utilized elsewhere that said the people we do have right now are quite good so I don't hide from questions and I'm here always to call a spade a spade you know this is a very difficult business and there's a lot of tough choices you have to make and tough things you have to do and we have had to make a lot of tough choices as a project we've had to make a lot of tough choices as an ecosystem and including Bitcoin itself and you lose some good people along the way the guy I missed more than anybody else's bike earn good friends a wonderful human being worked at Google in its gonna create the Bitcoin Java client he sent emails and Satoshi he ragequit over the block debate never to look back we should not have lost him in the Bitcoin space but we did Aloha Cardo was born in Hawaii on Maui Aloha Mahalo little town called Makkah why if you're Charles trivia and this great place called kimonos donuts run by some Filipinos and downtown Ottawa this very small town Old Town mikawa and I'd go every morning at 6 a.m. they put those don't if they'd sell them all out by 7:00 and the guy refused to make more if these all eyes are I'm gonna go fishing there is Filipino way of thinking yeah I love art that's a water house and that's a ghost off club that says you'll be on your own now this is a good one what is your largest stock holding a publicly traded company I don't own any equity like many of people in my age group I actually will hold two assets crypto and cash that's it I don't have any bonds and I'm stock I don't have any gold any of these things I just hold crypto and US dollars that's pretty much it not all the euros from these types of things but I don't really believe in the current stock market and I don't really like the way Wall Street operates and I just couldn't imagine giving them my money you know at some point I'll diversify and hedge instead of a trust and there's all kinds of ways that you can create cash positive flows income flows that don't require you to go kowtow to buying Microsoft stock or Apple stock I mean it's just basically legalized gambling at this point and it's not rational why should Microsoft share value go down like 30% what a global pandemic happens guys the private products motion digital the foundations of that company are sound makes no sense at all but hey let's just do it because why not Korona well I would to Kate going to be a publicly traded company someday if we could do a security token probably be cool to do that that'd be fun and then we'd be like this science and engineering asset and you'd be buying ETF on that entire industry so maybe five years who knows Charles old d-phi thing on aetherium is becoming a joke now what do you think in the recent maker down issue it's hard to do this stuff I keep saying over and over again nobody seems to really pay attention because they're so focused on the short term it works until it doesn't my encryption scheme works until it doesn't Mike says this protocol works until it doesn't my defy app works until it doesn't look at all the money we're making look how successful we are look at our million users you know move fast and break things then it breaks oh well we have no liabilities through the users who care since they lose all their money not my problem risky you know do your own research it's an experimental economy blah blah blah oh and we'll fix it better next time by temporarily introducing heavy amounts of centralization it's for rap it's what these people do meanwhile we you guys in the research side we're it looks like let's try to actually do it right for the first time so you don't lose all your money when it blows up in your face because we have a moral obligation to build bright products and they oh how dare you delay sit for so long you're a scammer you're a horrible human being delay delay delay delay delay so how can you win either we blow it up in your face with a substandard product or we take the time to build it and they can brutally criticize the entire time we're building and they won't release it everybody like a [ __ ] goldfish forgets about it moves on to something else to complain about you have to look at a long term horizon and you have to have principles if you're talking about people's money their property to identity their privacy you're talking about things that are very meaningful to people they have to be built on stable foundations and you have to have some evidence that what you're doing works and if your evidence is we're gonna just experiment that's fine when the people are experimenting with are wealthy people and there's not a lot of them that's not okay when the people you're experimenting with our retail investors with their life savings and there's a lot of them and you're creating existential risk and they believe that they're getting involved in something that's flawless expectation management really matters a lot and this just keeps happening in this industry over and over and over and over again but you get what you pay for and as long as there's money to be made people will do this and as long as you criticize guys like us who are trying to build things on solid foundations you get less people trying to do that more people chasing the fast money get what you pay for hi Charles if the coronavirus was to take you is there someone with your driving vision to take over yes we have some great people remain tomorrow Hasson Jim Maroni Aparna we have a very deep bench at i/o HK and if I was the dye product would get done visions completely there we have clear marching orders into the end of Cardinal for our contract and for where we want to take it and we have a great ecosystem so I'm not worried at all fish Lassa fever couldn't kill me I don't think caranas going to kill me yeah everybody is one hell of a woman do we need to centralize github git is already decentralized and it would be very easy to layer that into a blocking structure please respond to the US Senate bill and prose to outlaw encryption I think that's equivalent to the ability to outlaw gravity or to change PI to 3 I mean people can certainly say stuff and try to do things but you cannot enforce something as crazy as how long encryption it's like how would the internet even work SSL is now illegal you have to have certificate authorities put a man-in-the-middle attack for every single website the US government can enforce that it's old people who have no clue how the internet works or technology works playing and fiddling with things and they should be in diapers instead of voting you always wonder who should be taken by Corona can you jump in and out of stinking without penalty for card I'll yes how's your dog nollie doing very well I've got four dogs dollies the one you tend to see on Twitter and she likes sitting up on the hill and gazing over the distance the long speak in the distance big gas fireplace yes it's a heater it's going outside you people oh my god it's okay and that's not an original Pink Floyd poster too it's just great how you brush your teeth once a day well you never shave your head with it when the hairline gets far enough back I may actually consider it I think I look near with a bald head Patrick Stewart really opened that door for us so we have to thank him for it us all had to die all the men on my mom's side they they all go bald and so I'm guest in to have that happen why don't you see the chief go crypto for defamation because I'll win but it'll take two years to win and that what the [ __ ] am I gonna get from them meanwhile the tar monster will get on me the entire time I'm doing it and then what I'll get an apology now you don't fight tyronn stirs just you put them deep in caves and you seal the cave and you hope that no one is spelunking by the way we're never gonna call him Chico anymore we're gonna call him tar monster 1 you know he doesn't even get to be term monster 1 he's gonna beat our monster 3 and I'll find two other tar monsters I value more than him so please refer to him now for his tar monster number 3 if you ever seen one Twitter all he was banned from Twitter I'm so sorry coming the way of the Alex Jones well if you ever see him anywhere just refer to him as tar monster number 3 one of what we see another on which kick conference we're going to do a virtual conference for the launch of Shelley and I did a video yesterday about that so please do see that video on my channel and hopefully we'll be able to make an announcement soon about the parameters of that conference and what platform we're going to use I'd love to have it as a VR experience that'd be super cool and I'd love to have Avatar as and all these other things you know maybe just like a video game or something just someplace where people can actually communicate with each other and get to see each other it'd be pretty cool won't our monster coin ha I love that Oh timelines and ledger integration I believe the foundation select vacuum labs as their integrator and I think unofficially the integration touch of our 10 weeks I haven't seen the contract yet and I they haven't made the announcement yet but that's what I heard through the grapevine but it makes sense from the meta layer integration that we did before so that should come in and I believe the contract includes all whole staking and multi six support for ledger on the Daedalus side and the wallet back inside we have everything you need for ledger support so when Shelly ships will actually have a ledger option along with a new way of doing paper wallets are you still taking it from Richard Hart occasionally Richard gives it to everybody I seems to be a decent guy I mean he's pretty full of himself but for the most part it's just a quick deal guy it has the same for Simon Dixon you know every now and then he picks on us but he picks on a lot of people so it's not like won't our doubt monster number three just Scott like this crazy hard-on for us crazy like won't rage keeps the tar warm it's the rage do you see it do you still think that Enoch could hit a trillion dollar market camp was one of my most missed quoted status I say I want ADA to be a trillion dollar so I explained in like five minute rant the rambling on and on what that actually means watch the video I give a clear explanation of it and I believe if we deliver what we're going to deliver him get the adoption we'd liked it yeah yeah it should be there it's it's gonna change the whole world how did the New Balance trial go pretty well actually all things consider we're right now trying to react that get them to expand it for product lines it was a pilot I was quite a successful pilot we didn't make a lot of money on it because of the tangent cards consumed most of the fees there but it was a great way to actually look at a hardware product combined with a software product combined with a physical product and put them all together at the end of the supply chain so it was a great proof of concept and it was really fun working with New Balance we actually built a cool cell phone app and everything and we'll see what we will see what we can keep pushing out with that relationship if you finally keep extending it I Charles what I would any stick pull operator switch from the ITN to the knot except eyes because they can do both in parallel you don't have to shut your ITN to stuff down you just redeploying your things in anticipation and if you don't do it then your competitors who do do it will take all of your customers when the maintenance which is on not too long later so you have a small window of time to maintain your brand reputation and customer base so I think that's a pretty good incentive but if you don't think so well I'm sure there's somebody who disagrees that wants your customers fcv I'm not too good to listen to you but you comment on every one of these videos to sense to sense to sense you're a [ __ ] troll man you know if you want me to respect you reply to you actually interact with you behave like an adult not a child there's a there's a collection of weird people into the abyss Carlito's Way and a few others who consistently comment on every video I make and for some reason they just really love saying hurtful untrue or negative things about our ecosystem why do you even care why are you here what's your point do you just like get up in your mom's basement and say wow I just can't wait to shitpost something today what's the point what's your upside you're not gonna make any money from it you're not getting any friends from it and you're gonna look like a jackass and an idiot when Shelly shifts then what are you gonna say I was wrong I'm sorry no you never get an apology so maybe you're competing for molten tar monster number one or two I don't know we should have the molten tar monster Awards we'll call them the multis Charles I just gotten to leatherworking do you have any small hobbies that relax you yes I I do a lot of gardening these days and I showed you guys my garden I collect art I trying to get into drawing and painting but I just hadn't really at the time but lately I think I'll be able to do that obviously I've run a farm and that that consumes a lot of time as well I used to build watches that was a lot of fun I'm a whole horological set and so I can actually take a watch apart take a movement apart even fabricate components if I wanted to and I read a lot used to write a lot as well so you have a lot of hobbies it's just being a CEO you just generally don't have a lot of time and there's a lot of context shifting just when you get into something you have a fire you have to put out now that's just the way it is finance will do list card ah no and coinbase CEO say they will not list this scam short ADA okay I'll wait for the email from cz oh my god see comments like this there's a lot of contenders for the multis Tom vases turned baby number two yeah we can't seat our babies end of that well that was not PC let's say that no Bolton tar monster it's not a racial thing it's an actual monster made out of molten tar the point is that when you fight them you get the tar on you and it burns you you know that's the visual that we should be don't go down that other way that's very bad it's Melissa's bad as krump going around saying we got come flu like Oh God can you say you know one press conference without saying something you pissed somebody off [Music] as an interesting question so high design which case still plan to limit the amount of registers take poles to a thousand come to me net lunch yeah okay can a thousand is probably a reasonable launching point because that's what we got from the ITN and the hope is that we can use the update parameter system that we're going to deploy with full terror to be able to change that and other protocol parameters like fee transaction fees and so forth but it would be really cool to have a feedback loop where based on network conditions themselves the amount of the K parameter can contract or expand so that would be that'd be a lot of fun but you just it's kind of complicated to do that so it's probably better to leave it to a voting system to update the K parameter but a thousand is a very good starting point and you know it's nice is that the system maintains performance regardless of how large cake gets it's very performant within reason scalp micropigmentation we'll look super cool on you man try it out you won't regret it alright I'll do it I'll buy it I'll look it up I have no idea what the hell you're talking about but why not alright SS WL I'll stop talking about mold tar monsters if you ask me a good question so all is in your court please do ask a good question and I will attempt to answer it what card on I'll be able to scale a 50,000 TPS yes but we need to redesign reimagine what we mean by the transaction and hopefully we'll get some content out elucidate that a bit more does Vitalik have something up to sleep to blow it out of the water no no he never has everything he has he's already announced he's already blown his load and he's just trying to keep it all together and I have a lot of respect for how hard they're working and what they're doing but honestly their tech is not where it needs to be and even if they have something they have to change the tires on a car that's driving upgrading the f2 is going to be a nightmare for them and it's gonna be very very time-consuming and very difficult and they're not gonna get what they want immediately which gives me a lot of time to roll something out that's better also he seems to really hate blockchain based governance on chain based governments I think it's a humongous strategic mistake and the lack of a Treasury is going to be an existential problem for aetherium what did you talk about with William Shatner Davos trick question Fujimoto William Shatner was not in Davos he was in Mexico we mostly talked about horses but we did talk a little bit about quick demo 88 years old brilliant guy although I have a great moment I I told him I said bill you have to be a bit careful about our industry it's got a lot of Fairweather people that tend to cling onto you and William Shatner looked at me and he said you know I hate Klingon eighty-eight years old he's that fast he's a great guy and I had the time of my life have a dinner with him it was the kind of a dream come true as I what you kept producing any gaps to watch the alongside Gogan yes with partners can't build the Xbox without launch application so we'll have some what do you think about Trump giving away money this is his opportunities like if you just get out of his own head you could have so many political winds like you just call up and react and be like yang gang it's time ubi let's go and get that whole line of people in and then like the Democrats Minds would explode they wouldn't know what to do with that and of course and you Rihanna would say yes you look yes yeah this was point all along ubi let's do it freedom dividend but they won't do it makes me sad I want to see that experiment run how do you secure your own crypto assets multi-state cold storage and safety deposit boxes never actually have them where you live but never put them in places that are easy to access and if you have to have a custodian have an insured one that's regulated are there any surprise partnerships that'll be announced when Shelley's release well if I told you wouldn't be a surprise think about it when returned to academia and finish a PhD well I'd have to pick a subject first might go back into mathematics a study analytic number theory wasn't named good at it never sold anything of provenance it would be fun to do computational logic this time around if I retire I do that there'd be a lot of fun and I'd probably do something with homo topi type theory and I think I could make some meaningful waves there because I could apply all the things I've learned here so maybe if I do the key ideas project I could go in under that but it wouldn't be for a while and have to retire for that you really have to be serious to pursue a PhD it's a lot of work and you have to be passionate about what you do we produce so much scientific output that it's 10 PhDs worth of it in fact people have done their whole dissertations on a small card on a project like Colin for example or Genesis sinned rose or a Thomas kill burr or others literally getting their PhDs working on this product and you know it's it's an overwhelming amount of research why are some against Treasuries because they're stupid I don't have any other explanation for it if you say it's okay to use inflation to pay to secure your system but not okay to use inflation to pay to build your system and maintain the system and a created option of your system then you're not really understanding economics at a basic level think Iona will make it well if a centralized entity can shut your cryptocurrency down it's not a cryptocurrency is it how will a to change the legal industry by creating a legal DSL that's gonna be a fun one we'll talk about that later any recommended philosophy reading in times like these probably logotherapy Victor Frankel's book man's search for meaning nice like philosophy but it gives you a sense that no matter how bad things get it can certainly get worse and the search for meaning is a very core thing if you're really interested in something fun Albert Camus is also a great writer absurdism of things and the story of Sisyphus it's one of my favorite isaiah has security now not even close come on talk about the dsl well now you want to know about it don't you yeah now if I talked about a molten tar monster number three would say so if we give a little tar Monsuno before the multis why is crypto crows website so weak I would not call crypto crow week you can call that man many things but like a 300 pound seven foot tall man who used to be called the Tower of pain who's got kicks that can shatter legs is not a weak man he'd rip you in half I guarantee that he is a scary scary man if you actually see him in person where do you get your lion's head no it's lion's mane mushrooms and I get them from stamens I'm gonna grow them here though in Colorado where did your economics knowledge come from whoo that's a good one I probably read a blog post about that and give you guys some book recommendations but there are some good books like David ravers debt first 5,000 years the social life of money there's a nice book from Niall Ferguson called the ascent of money and then there's certainly canonical things like things from Ludwig von Mises and Hayek especially the things they wrote on private monies are quite interesting to read about you don't understand wealth in economics or ultimately social phenomena in a study of scarcity and how human beings react to scarcity and they built social structures to manage scarcity and what emerges from that and ultimately I think that complexity theory is going to end up becoming the bedrock of economic analysis in the 21st century mostly because what complexity theory does very well is they can find these simple rules that won't apply to an aggregate for complex systems and economies are basically that you have simple interactions between people information and deficits and then you basically run a model and the model evolves and grows in the invention the model forms something and that could be sand dunes it can be ecosystems like the rain forest it can be evolution it can be economies and a lot of cases where they've gotten it right with complexity theory the economic modeling that they've done has been very very powerful it's predicted crises it's shown when recessions are gonna happen and so forth I think that there is a bit of too much effort for people to cling to things like only gold is real money it's like why school any better than silver or platinum or diamonds or anything like that it's like okay scarce right you can't create it out of thin air right there's plenty of materials that have that it also provides no material real value or utility to you whereas food does do something right so you know you have to really start asking thought experiments and say what makes good money you know is that the durability is fungibility of the asset the need fungibility they used to use tea as money there's a great series I took on the great courses on banking and there's 24 lectures that they did and they get the third or fourth lecture in this brick of tea from the 15th century you could I should break off units and pay people with it which is pretty crazy if you think about it but why not you know anything really can make money in fact prison camps during World War Two Stalag eight I think can't remember this dialogue number but there was an economist who was in prison so he did what all economists wrote papers about it a model the prison economy and found out that cigarettes were the unit of account and the richest man in the camp was a Sicilian priest was very good at trading so will we write a blog post about that what do you think of Warren Buffett's take on cryptocurrency having no value do not ask an 80 year old man who's made his money from the old system what he thinks of the new system you're never gonna get a good answer that the best-case scenario is your again I don't understand it but more likely than not you'll get an inaccurate answer there's a reason why these people retire they are brilliant for their time and they're masters of their domains but they out but their domains change and the markets outgrow them and they have to move on even Bill Gates has left Microsoft and Buffett's time has come as gold not good for engineering sure it is plenty of industrial and non industrial uses for it but silver is an even better industrial metal it's why is it not more valuable there's more of it and it's also antibacterial every year of colloidal silver cold is not reactive they put it in fluid doesn't do anything even put an alcohol whose Goldschlager is inflation essential for growing economy well if you have population growth you're probably going to have some form of inflation does it really matter hey Matt great time for an AMA cheers from startup a griot Brasil obrigado we love you guys in Brazil and thank you so much for putting the American flag on the Statue out there along with everybody else as a sign of solidarity for the coronavirus these are tough times and it's really good to see people taking things even small gestures to remind that we're all one global community and we're all in this together appreciate it means a lot to me what's your favorite cocktail well obviously White Russian come on Lebowski Charles how long do you see yourself being with I ohk I own 100 percent of I ohk there's no notion of seeing myself meeting with them I own it it's my company so at this point I could be with it as long as I want it's like well Charles be fired from I okay one of the language you can't get rid of Charles it's like good luck with that I can hold the board being what is your favorite movie I have many but probably there will be blood was the best acted best produced movie absolutely amazing cinematography I really enjoyed the fountain that was a great movie - Darren Aronofsky's just a genius specially on the visual side and there's certainly a million different things it just depends on what you want to say I hear Mexico wants Trump to hurry up of the wall haha that's great I'd say that's that funny one [Music] come on guys give me something good here Charles do you like cats I have two of them but they're barn cats and they are used for mousing I grew up with cats my parents love cats I've never been a big cat guy I don't like animals that [ __ ] in boxes make you have to clean them up for animals that go outside when you have a farm you don't have to do much they're self-sufficient also I like animals that when you call them they come to you cats don't do that most cats though what was reven chore last another interesting one Raymond sure was a corporation I set up Colorado - named after a game Mike Magic eight had a town and it called Raven Shore blast from the past there Fujimoto Charles Hoskinson you didn't comment on girdles and completeness well girdles and complete is theorem is an established thing from the 1930s there's not much more to say about it you know talking about girdle encodings if you want you know there is a great quest with David Hilbert and Bertrand Russell Alfred North Whitehead and all these other prominent mathematicians in the 19th and early 20th century where they were basically trying to rebuild all of mathematics on a completely formal foundation where all proofs could be basically deduced through a series of computations so they were really looking for an abstract machine that you could encode a proof as well form formulas put it through it would it would spit out an answer whether your formula was true or false based on the axioms of the system it turns out that you can't do that yeah because your system is not complete and girl I'll prove that by showing you had this inductive nature with the axioms of mathematics so the minute that you had to you always need another one and he did this beautiful proof to show that which was quite prominent but it did lead to this concept of recursive functions that is equivalent to Turing machines and lambda calculus and so as a consequence it actually created the foundations of computation for computer science so there was a a great outcome from that research and Turing machines kind of killed the at least the question of decidability can you make a decision whether something is true or false or undecidable and the answer for that is no you can't so Hilbert's entire agenda fell apart but it did create computer science so you can't really complain of that outcome actually it's the nature of research that's really the cool thing where mathematicians were trying to formalize and systematize their systems in such a way that everything could be computable and in the process of doing that it kind of failed but then it led to a whole new field of science that revolutionized all of mankind and gave us all the things we've come to know and love today so even if you don't accomplish very goal if you're smart about it you can create wonderful secondary goals and there's certainly a lot of fun books that have been written on it and it's entered popular culture and girls incompleteness theorem is percolated every single realm of thought from kind of strong AI exists is Tillie does infinity exist or things like that and I think that's just a lot of philosophers pertaining to be mathematicians do this math well you ever changed a name by which case since it isn't based on Hong Kong or technically we already have the Wyoming company is called input/output global which case a subsidiary of it so I am the owner and CEO of IMG nog even own the domain name for it one of these days we'll rebrand haven't gotten around to it Heroes of Might magic 3 did you ever play like hell I played heroes aMAG magic you [ __ ] did till we all did Jonathan Craig Haven man [ __ ] 3do man New World Computing man this this just a raffia right come on it was an amazing game for its time masterpiece and game design and engineering and obviously the tower town was the one to play you know and then when the conflicts came out because the Phoenix advantage you know that was always fun yes that was a great game and it was such a shame that New World Computing ran out of money when they were making heroes of my magic for because it was on track to be just as good it was such a beautiful game and had a great soundtrack but it just didn't have the money to finish it of course my magic 9 was a disaster because of that really sad today's apparently heroes my magic threes like super popular in Russia and there's still a huge community there Charles do you ever think math will ever be formally proven to be wrong conceptually no because math is just the derivation from axioms that he said so it's not a question of is it wrong or right there's a question of is he useful and are those axioms self consistent and the axioms of math are independent and self consistent but the way that we've constructed CFCs that Siri it's no notion of being wrong now you can have philosophical debates in fact one of my favorite things to do is to watch videos from this mathematician on YouTube who's like completely convinced that our notion of infinity as mathematicians is wrong what is his name it'll come to me in a moment god he's actually a proper mathematician diddly algebras and went to Yale and he makes these great videos and he's done some very good pedagogical work especially talking about Babylonian mathematics so Babylonians use a base 60 system so this is actually one of their kuna form tablets and this is a calculation table for how base 60 works and so it says there we use base 10 and there's counts all the way up to 60 and then wraps around so you have to use a different way of doing calculations but if you're ever curious on how that works and how to read these little things on the tablets then go to his videos and again and the name will come to me in a minute I just can't remember at the moment but now Malthus was independent and consistent it's perfectly fine and yes it is one hell of a router are you still planning to fly for the Shelly release celebration if they let me I will fly to Kyoto but that's if I if I if they let me what do you think about Rachmaninoff wonderful wonderful composer and actually he got into this crippling depression and somehow hypnotherapy cured him and then he went on to do much much more in the music world I played a few of his pieces and they're just a lot of fun and you know it's nice about it because it was almost like a hybrid between Liston Chopin and Liszt is virtuoso and just pure virtuoso totally embedded there in Chopin is like all soul just all emotion pure emotion dying of tuberculosis as well as girlfriend's cheating on you with that on him best friend and enlist is all like I'm the man I can do anything play 12th in a real super fast whatever but we put them together you actually have Rachmaninoff he's a little bit of everything and just a brilliant guy what is an axiom it's something we assumed to be true without proof our Tatem for jazz remember do not refer to him as Chico you have to refer to him as molten tar monster number three mr. banker Prager favorite Tom Petty song come on into the great wide open that's the one although the markets really did push free-falling on us didn't they but we do love American girls we want to hear about quantum resistance it's overrated easy easy to do and when the time comes we can pull it in not necessary today it's like much ado about nothing that's the y2k of our industry get that out of your mind don't think about it don't worry about it's not a problem that's a nothing burger people keep making it a problem mostly because they have something they want to sell you or they use it as a competitive differentiator okay when people keep warning you about something that's coming in 30 years and they tell you that they have the solution to it today get a little skeptical about it be very suspicious about it the trade-offs you pay for post quantum algorithms are too high at the moment for the benefits that you get from them and it's proactively preventing something that doesn't exist from from hurting you you're curious about it look up Shor's algorithm say all right they're already starting to do Moulton Tom at our monster number three can you 3d print at our monster or war at the multis we have a 3d printed statue it comes in three different flavors this is really getting a life of its own please please make some pictures for Twitter please Dibble your song is won't back down never have never will his molten tar monster never won a crank right oh my god he is Wow we have number one and number three selected we just need to get number two crypto Multi zap come on guys give me something good give me someone to end on I had this epic rat last time and I meant Iran mood though got a favorite brush tune you can get all Neal Kurtz on me wingsuit training I was scheduled to go to Sweden at the end of this month and I can't go but every quarter I've been trying to do at least one hour of flight time my hope is to actually do Lisi jump at some point unfortunately there's this thing called a global pandemic that really is slowing everything down by the way dad Larimer is not a tar monster a molten tar monster you know he's very dogged guy but Dan is not fundamentally disruptive or dishonest in that respect he believes the things he says and he believes the things he does we strongly strongly disagree and he can be very he lacks the social grace sometimes like saying my thing is an 800-pound vest that doesn't stop bullets I mean [ __ ] you man but you know that's commercial disputes and we we get into it here and there but he doesn't run a podcast and bring people down and he's never done that in its career he he just does the things he thinks you're right and people seem to follow him and for the most part his products are still in market even bitshares and still in market so you got to give him some credit for that I just think that he doesn't seem to admit acknowledge that there needs to be rigor and third-party verification above and beyond your shipping it for the products to work the takeover of steam is for example of that it's very predictable so anyway you know we wish him well but I wouldn't put him in that same category as Craig writer mr. Chico crypto as you can see I'm slightly moderating these days gala at the Pascoe what's your favorite National Park Yellowstone absolutely amazing place what is your greatest feat are flying Cobras very terrified of them flying Cobras are the worst no more Pink Floyd wall-hanging ones Pink Floyd's right there but I replaced it with the artwork I'll put the poster somewhere else probably in the office what about Mike York or whatever his name is I see him commenting on videos like Carlito's Way yeah you know I don't know there's like a pack of these guys I actually wrote their names down and sent them to our community guides but I don't know what their thing is and one of these days we'll look into it but it's organized because every video we make they comment and they obviously are always saying negative things it's like and like they're being paid or something to do it maybe I killed their dog or something I don't know it slept with their girlfriend or killed their dog or something I'm past life for this one it's pretty crazy to see their the level of vitriol and dedication to the material usually trolls are operated opportunistic and Fairweather so what times aren't so good the dog pile but when times you're okay or average they just kind of lose interest in scurrying away to have that level of dedication to comment on every single video for two years yeah you got to give them a multi for that do I remember the mathematician Louie I'm sorry I didn't get the first part of the question which mathematician what did you do hello from Romania love Romania very good cheese come on guys the Infinity well the the guy who first came up with the notion of infinity oh that's but it was around math for a long time the person to formalize it was Georg Cantor and he was also bipolar so he was committed towards the end of his life but he did some groundbreaking work and he even came up with something called the continuum hypothesis which was later resolved by saying that math can't solve it just kind of a [ __ ] cop out but yeah the whole concept of infinity oh yeah remember that even the mathematician who was against infinity yeah I'm sorry but a long day god I don't remember I'm gonna tweet it now when I find it what about Thanatos Holdings it was a holding company for some IP that I possessed rollin indistinct category is Raven Shore favorite mathematician well as hard I my favorite writer in mathematics is Paul Heyman's I thought that he just was so elegant and concise the most beautiful proofs were from growth in deke he was incredibly good at that I think the most creative mathematician probably Punk Ray was tremendously creative not very disciplined but incredibly creative and was capable of really having a fun time with concepts however the most rigorous mathematician of the 20th century now I have to think about that were feeling that were fun to read Hilbert was certainly interesting very rigorous guy very very rigorous you know I had Bertrand Russell stated mathematics I think that he could have done so much more but he kind of got broken and went to ethics and a much more enjoyable life hardening he'll argue phenomenal number theorists really enjoyed reading his work Nathanson is he still alive wonderful mathematician as well Clark when it'll work with a hundred percent effectiveness within three days sure will no it doesn't don't believe these types of things cleric when is an old drug to treat malaria I actually contracted malaria a lot of time ago take care of Justin and we're winding down looking for a good question and dawn they did not announce that clerk when is 100% effective against crowd of hours nothing in the history of medicine is on a percent effective ever because in some cases people get allergic reactions even though things that cure things and you get developed resistance from this medicine stop making things up what's next fry which K after card out what venture would you guys like to take next something involving the freedom of association Commerce and expression one of these days there will be a virtual conference Tilo attention all right kids Oh General Zod good to see ya all right general I'm just about to sign off but out of respect to the Zod do you have a question for me closing question no pressure come on yeah clerk wind does have some bad side effects gave me super crazy weird dreams do you still contribute to e.t.c we have not made a code commit in quite some time is to court him a good project I love Lars he's a good guy and come on Dom guards a legendary cryptographer is alongside lula mara hard to fight their bona fides and I hope that they succeed all right all well nothing good all right well anyway I'll talk to you guys later thank you so much for listening this has been a heck of a lot of fun and until next time in Boca Lupul I hang in there Italy America were not too far behind you and I hope that we can keep this going as long as we can before the great American quarantine shuts everything down and if that doesn't happen well I guess we'll just have to get back to business as usual cheers everybody bye-bye
